Head light and Fog light upgrade

[///BHRpowered]

It is outlawed, you'll get border line ricers on here...mostly srt8 owners who claim drop in hid's don't blind people, and while not the worst offenders they certainly don't provide the shielding required. I'v yet to own or see a Jeep with decent lighting, its a Jeep thing. But the classy and more rugged look of halogens just fits the jeep better.

I run drop in hid's in my high beams on the WJ which work well but would clearly be to much for anyone driving on the road with me.

[albertstyles]

Thanks for the info. Why so expensive compared to the silverstars? I will go with the 9005 in the fogs and get the HIRs when I need to replace a head light. Thanks again.

[///BHRpowered]

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Why "so expensive compared to silverstars"


Because silverstars and utter garbage that should be (and is in some states) outlawed. They are extremely cheaply made, poorly designed, zero r&d developed trash put on the market and only sell because there entire budget goes towards false advertising instead of quality. If you buy silverstars because of the commercial where the guy explains that "now you see the child in front of you" and all they really did was create massive glare at a higher wattage then you should probably be smacked, with a 2x4, full of rusty nails and termites, termites with aids.

Thats about the super nice way of putting it after toning down my reply 3 times over. HIR's are only made under license from GE and made to the highest quality, not to mention the coating isn't cheap. I'm at 3 years with no problems.

[jeepguy0389]

Wow it seems you REALLY don't like silverstars :P Im no electrician or lighting expert but my silverstars made an excellent difference as far as lighting, doesn't blind anyone (yes i tested it with other drivers) and is relatively inexpensive when you compare it to HID kits and stuff of that nature. Going on two years and haven't had to replace any so far, Knock on wood!

[WK05calgary]

Some good info posted from CandlePower.com on the Toshiba HIR bulbs: http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-te...ml#post1666019

CandlePower online store: http://store.candlepower.com/hirlighting.html (9011s available/9012 discontd by Toshiba??)
"7 April, 2009: Unfortunately, this bulb has been discontinued by Toshiba, and we are diligently looking for new avenues of manufacture or supply."


And from a Miata forum: http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread...=209728&page=3
"Toshiba 9012 low is available at John Deere locations at # AH211917 for $10 (mine were $12.95 Canadian)" ??

Old Price:
Part No. Description Unit Price Total Price
AH211917 BULB, HIR 2 9.99 USD 19.98 USD

New Price:
Part No. Description Unit Price Total Price
AH211917 BULB, HIR 2 23.99 USD 47.98 USD

[///BHRpowered]

Originally Posted by jeepguy0389

Wow it seems you REALLY don't like silverstars :P Im no electrician or lighting expert but my silverstars made an excellent difference as far as lighting, doesn't blind anyone (yes i tested it with other drivers) and is relatively inexpensive when you compare it to HID kits and stuff of that nature. Going on two years and haven't had to replace any so far, Knock on wood!

I'v posted in depth articles about how they fool you into thinking they produce more, either through colored coating or higher wattage. Taking a cheapo lumen meter and comparing even a factory (new) bulb at the same wattage and you'll see atleast a 15% drop in light to the silverstars. Come back 6 months later and if the silverstars are even still working neither bulb will be the same and both will have dropped some more.

[5.7UNlimited]

Did Somebody say HIR's?? I say go for the HID's (4300k).
I've had my HIR's which I paid $35 each (CDN) for about 5 months now and as soon as I put them in I noticed very little difference and that is comparing one side to the other when I had an HIR in one side and stock in the other. When i'm on the highway there is no great advantage at all and whenever I get into my friends 2008 Charger with factory HID's and think "wow these are the greatest headlights ever" I wish I had HID's soo bad, take the money and put it towards a good set of HID's and dont get over 5000k or you're doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by ///BHRpowered

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then you should probably be smacked, with a 2x4, full of rusty nails and termites, termites with aids.

love it

[JCDubya]

Before I got HIDs I used 9005 in the low beams, 9011 HIRs in the high beams, and yellow Nokya 9005s in the fogs. It was a decent setup.

[Spider-One]

Originally Posted by 5.7UNlimited

Did Somebody say HIR's?? I say go for the HID's (4300k).
I've had my HIR's which I paid $35 each (CDN) for about 5 months now and as soon as I put them in I noticed very little difference and that is comparing one side to the other when I had an HIR in one side and stock in the other. When i'm on the highway there is no great advantage at all and whenever I get into my friends 2008 Charger with factory HID's and think "wow these are the greatest headlights ever" I wish I had HID's soo bad, take the money and put it towards a good set of HID's and dont get over 5000k or you're doing it wrong.

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love it

I wouldn't confuse factory HID projectors with the kits most of us have in our WK's. There will be glare, although minimal in our WK's, and the beam will not be as neatly spread or cut-off. Still nice to have the extra light though.

[WK05calgary]

So are the Oracle 50w HID kits for just either the low or high beam? Would you need two kits to do both low and high beams?

http://www.automotivelightstore.com/...&Category=2730



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[Spider-One]

I just use mine in the lows. Had to aim them down a bit to compensate for some bumps on our poor excuse for a highway. They work fine and I've done a few tests at night with my g/f driving by with me in another vehicle and it wouldn't bother me personally, but when I'm going up a hill or hit a good sized bump and you get all the light in your face it's stupid bright but that's no different with OEM projectors.

Yes you would need two sets for both high and lows. I would love to do the highs since I could easily drive an hour or so at night on our highway without seeing anyone. Unfortunately I still have DRL's enabled so I'll likely just go with the HIR's or see if I can get my DRL's disabled by a kind dealer next time I'm in Edmonton, lol.

I have two sets of the OEM projectors one of which I'll install once I get my wiring harness next week, so I will be ditching the kit very soon. If I can get my DRL's disabled I might transfer it over to my highs or get some 3000k bulbs and use them in my fogs. I always turn off my highs and fogs for oncoming traffic anyways so glare would not be an issue.

[///BHRpowered]

57unlimited, you CANNOT under any condition compare factory HID's to aftermarket drop in (though I give you credit for citing 4300k) the Jeep's reflectors are poor at best and cannot take advantage of HID's.

You need to put HIR's in both sides, and some 9005's in the fogs, then drive down the road. Visually from a headon point of view there should be very little difference, slightly less yellow and more chrispy but thats it. On road you'll notice it.

Originally Posted by WK05calgary

So are the Oracle 50w HID kits for just either the low or high beam? Would you need two kits to do both low and high beams?

http://www.automotivelightstore.com/...&Category=2730

***DO NOT***DO NOT***DO NOT****
Purchase 50w kits, they are poorly made and cause massive heat issues, along with the bulbs not being able to take the strain. Even among retrofitters 50w kits are not used, for low beams they not only affect your cutoff and cause more blurring (even in razor sharp oem hid projectors) but create deep shadows over dips in the road and play tricks on you, again do NOT use them.

If you need extra output I suggest you build a set of boost ballasts (some places sell them, but there around 500/pair) what boost ballasts do is allow you to control the power from 35w up to almost 70w. I myself run then with a relay, during low beam they run at 35w, when I pull the highbeam switch the bixenon shield drops and the power is instantly boosted to 55w.

[jfree07]

I do agree the 50+ watt kits due mess up a lot of items due to the heat factor. If you get the plug and play kits 35 watts from Oracal they will last for ever. I have had the same kit 6000k light color that is not blinding to other drivers. This is same lighting color and brightness that BMW, Mercedes uses. I have also had this same kit since 05, and it has been in 2 2005 wk and 2008 dodge charger. So 4 years 3 vehicles 1 hid kit for them all.

[WK05calgary]

I think I will avoid any harness mods and HID mods but might try new bulbs. Any suggestions for better-than-stock (2005) low/high beam bulbs?

Def not Silverstar...too many failures/short lifespans listed all over the net. Many people do say they are whiter, but not actually brighter.

[Spider-One]

Go with the HIR's, there's no reason not to. They are the best option for Halogen's to gain light output and not have to worry about glare or wiring anything extra.

As for the 50W kit, I don't really see how it would put out more heat when compared to a 55W halogen bulb and especially when compared to overdriving a ballast. Either way I would say my light pattern is no different than any of the 35W kits and I've had them in for several months now without issue. I think the key like anything else is purchasing from a reputable vendor. It's not like it's some eBay junk from Hong Kong. Not that I know where AAC sources it's stuff from but I personally haven't had any issues and as I said the glare is acceptable and no worse than a 35W kit. Either way I'm moving over to the OEM projectors anyways.

[///BHRpowered]

The drop in kits are also made cheap

Simple rule of thumb, if the kits are plug and play there cheap and poorly made, any quality kit will come with a relay and power directly from the battery

[WK05calgary]

Yeah I was considering that also- the Oracle kits omit a battery-relay harness.
Are these HID kits any good and do any of them offer warranties? http://www.carhidkits.com/jeep-83/gr...e-hid-kit-432/

Might have to reconsider HIR/HID mods and just buy the HID off-road lights:http://www.hidoffroad.com/
Not sure why they make them in 6000k though as their other site ( www.hidextreme.com ) states "4100K lamps are approx 20% brighter (measured in Lumens not degrees K) than the 6000K"

Torn between putting PIAAs in the fog lamp holes where they tend to get broken and dont project far, or mounting on a 4xGuard Matrix something like these VisionX hi/lo beam 180s:
http://www.offroadwarehouse.com/prod...roductID/37766
- dual 100w and 80w bulbs
- HID upgradeable

[suzieque]

I haven't had time to read all the HIR info, but does HIR require relays/ballast or other special wiring like HID? or are they plug and play?

[antsjeep]

go HID.

If you go above 8,000k IMO they start to look ricey. Im running 6k lows and fogs and get nothing but compliments with my setup, not to mention how well lit the roadway is at night. I will never go back to Halogens... regardless what people say they just dont know what its like until they drive a car/truck with an HID system installed and correctly at that (aimed properly, 12 volt relay, reasonable color temp, etc...)

just my .02!

[albertstyles]

I finaly put the 9006 in the fog lights and it is a night and day difference and its great.