need help please

bigemike · 08-25-2008, 02:38 PM

I need a torque converter and shift kit for my 98 5.9l

When I am laying down the power It feels like it kicks in and out in 3rd. I don't think the stock converter is staying locked.

I also tow with my 98 so I would like to be able to still do that after the changes.

Thanks,

Any tip from others are doing would be greatly appreciated

bubbadog · 08-25-2008, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigemike

I need a torque converter and shift kit for my 98 5.9l

When I am laying down the power It feels like it kicks in and out in 3rd. I don't think the stock converter is staying locked.

I also tow with my 98 so I would like to be able to still do that after the changes.

Thanks,

Any tip from others are doing would be greatly appreciated

I am having stalls problems now myself,,just installed a new edge racing billet 2600 and its not aggressive enough choice wisely my man...i am stepping up to a 3000 stall we s-ee how that works out...Andre over at edge is a good person -to deal with...1-805-277-7305 his direct line....

bigemike · 08-25-2008, 04:40 PM

i don't race bubba, maybe you would sell me yours cheap....

bubbadog · 08-25-2008, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigemike

i don't race bubba, maybe you would sell me yours cheap....

No i am sending my back to him to get the other one for free with free shipping...but it cost 400 bucks new

ROBZILA · 08-26-2008, 01:03 AM

Have you got on it at high speeds with over drive off, i notice sm type of lock unlock at high speeds 3rd gear ish i think the PCm is just confused or smthing, with OD off i go through 2nd then through 3rd then before red line hit the OD button witch gets it into 4th. I think the PCM and electronicly controled tranny get confused when your finishing 3rd gear over the original govoner mph, and then go into 4th. Just thinking of other things a new converter would be nice anyway.

bigemike · 08-26-2008, 11:44 AM

I personally think you are right rob, it has done this before and after the flash of the ecu. The kickdown cable that is on the throttle body is where I think the bigger issue might be. I never have felt that is was set correctly, but the guy at the tranny shop says it is.

ROBZILA · 08-27-2008, 07:59 AM

I had a pretty good friend/tranny tec at dodge set/tighten my cable and i dnt think it would be the problem, i think it wants to shift into 4th at what ever set mph/rpm and then it realizes its WOT OD off stuters/surges and keeps going in 3rd, i would think sm kind of PCM/electric tranny issue like a cousin of torqe management if im even on the right page or we are talking about the same thing.

bigemike · 08-27-2008, 04:04 PM

it did it with both tunes, old and new, I went and bought a new rev 3 valve body assembly and new torque converter from wayne at aps. Hopefully when my box of joy gets here I won't have this issue anymore.

jeepjeepjeep · 08-27-2008, 04:14 PM

i recently have been havin an issue where my tranny keeps shifting between third and od at cruiseng speeds any i dea overdrive solenoid or torque converter( please tell tqc so that way i have an excuse to buy a new one) cough cough

bigemike · 08-27-2008, 05:43 PM

from my understanding from wayne at aps here is the deal. The vlave body on these things is problematic, it is semi electronically controlled, so he offers a shift kit and some other mods to go into the valve body. I actually bought a fully built valve body put together by APS, it will basically drop right into the tranny. The old kits required a resistor that effected how the computer controlled trans. This new rev uses no resistor and has different modifications to the valve body. This is all far out of my relm because I am no tranny guy. But what wayne said is that I should recieve about 70 more ft/lbs of torque to the wheels at launch. If that just cures the laxed shifting that I have now and gives me any kind of performance boost I will be happy with the money spent. It was about $1200 for the built valve body and the converter. Wayne at APS actually drives a 5.9 limited so he takes great pride in his work. you can do it in stages, but buying the complete valve body done by a trans guy with 25 years of expieriance is almost priceless. If you have questions email him off of the website http://www.apsprecision.com/ and he will call you and tell you more about that tranny than you ever wanted to know. He likes to drive his jeep hard just like us, so I feel like this has been money well spent.

ROBZILA · 08-27-2008, 07:50 PM

could you do a favor and get some type of 60ft or any kind of # before and after the kit and TC

bigemike · 08-28-2008, 12:17 PM

sure I will try to get to the track next friday and get some # for you. I might have some if I dig around, but I will try to get some fresh ones.

Mojo · 08-28-2008, 10:58 PM

A 70 lb/ft increase in torque would be huge by seat of the pants feel, and should definitely show up on paper too. Is any flash of the PCM necessary to get results?
I would be interested in any details you can give as to the improvements achieved with the APS valve body. Before and after track times would be excellent, although I'm mostly interested in the valve body itself, as I already have a stall converter. And if you are doing your own install, a writeup would be very nice. If it truly is a "drop-in" performance upgrade, I may have to pull the trigger.
Keep us posted,
Mojo

bigemike · 08-29-2008, 05:10 PM

mojo with a built tranny I am sure you would see some differences, but I am not sure what all is done to your ride. Mine is going from a stock rebuilt tranny to the new setup. I will keep everyone posted as we go along.

5.9_racer · 12-03-2008, 01:24 AM

bigmike... wondering how your setup has been treating you lately?..... I should have me APS custom valve body any day now.... but have not done anything with the torque converter.

give me some details.

JGC59 · 12-07-2008, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5.9_racer

bigmike... wondering how your setup has been treating you lately?..... I should have me APS custom valve body any day now.... but have not done anything with the torque converter.

give me some details.

-What are the specs and about how much is that running you?

5.9_racer · 12-08-2008, 02:19 AM

2800 Billet TC from EDGE Racing (Andre - owner)
Andre says he is assembling this one himself. $454.50. Through Dec.... should be here this coming week. I installed the APS custom valve body this weekend, take a look at my build up thread for links to pics....

JGC59 · 12-08-2008, 04:23 AM

Oh no, I meant what is the deal with the valve body? Tell us about that.

5.9_racer · 12-08-2008, 01:15 PM

Going to refer you to the jeep59registry.com site.... I have a couple writeups on it.
http://jeep59registry.com/twiki/bin/...ustomValveBody

for pics of it... see this link...
http://jeep59registry.com/twiki/bin/...gistry/BuildUp

JGC59 · 12-08-2008, 01:27 PM

Wow...very impressive write-up and pictures, thanks for sharing my man!

What's the deal with the prices on each item you listed or even better, what is the ballpark for what Wayne charged yo?

08-25-2008, 02:38 PM	#1
bigemike Registered Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 336 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	need help please I need a torque converter and shift kit for my 98 5.9l When I am laying down the power It feels like it kicks in and out in 3rd. I don't think the stock converter is staying locked. I also tow with my 98 so I would like to be able to still do that after the changes. Thanks, Any tip from others are doing would be greatly appreciated __________________ 1998 5.9 white, w/ 4000 amps of kinetik battery and 4000 watts of kicker power. edelbrock rpm heads stage 1 porting, 210 grind comp cam, race balanced K&N Fipk, custom flash from positive performance through kolak, mopar M1 intake ported, thorley headers kolak exhuast with magnaflow muffler and tip, up country springs and teraflex spacers 18x8 centerline tomohawk tracers chrome, brembo rotors, kolak's pad setup.

08-25-2008, 04:40 PM	#3
bigemike Registered Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 336 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i don't race bubba, maybe you would sell me yours cheap.... __________________ 1998 5.9 white, w/ 4000 amps of kinetik battery and 4000 watts of kicker power. edelbrock rpm heads stage 1 porting, 210 grind comp cam, race balanced K&N Fipk, custom flash from positive performance through kolak, mopar M1 intake ported, thorley headers kolak exhuast with magnaflow muffler and tip, up country springs and teraflex spacers 18x8 centerline tomohawk tracers chrome, brembo rotors, kolak's pad setup.

08-26-2008, 01:03 AM	#5
ROBZILA [ ]TTTTTT[ ] Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CO Posts: 1,468 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Have you got on it at high speeds with over drive off, i notice sm type of lock unlock at high speeds 3rd gear ish i think the PCm is just confused or smthing, with OD off i go through 2nd then through 3rd then before red line hit the OD button witch gets it into 4th. I think the PCM and electronicly controled tranny get confused when your finishing 3rd gear over the original govoner mph, and then go into 4th. Just thinking of other things a new converter would be nice anyway. __________________ Stone White 5.9 Vortech Intercooler BoltOns http://members.cardomain.com/robzila

08-26-2008, 11:44 AM	#6
bigemike Registered Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 336 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I personally think you are right rob, it has done this before and after the flash of the ecu. The kickdown cable that is on the throttle body is where I think the bigger issue might be. I never have felt that is was set correctly, but the guy at the tranny shop says it is. __________________ 1998 5.9 white, w/ 4000 amps of kinetik battery and 4000 watts of kicker power. edelbrock rpm heads stage 1 porting, 210 grind comp cam, race balanced K&N Fipk, custom flash from positive performance through kolak, mopar M1 intake ported, thorley headers kolak exhuast with magnaflow muffler and tip, up country springs and teraflex spacers 18x8 centerline tomohawk tracers chrome, brembo rotors, kolak's pad setup.

08-27-2008, 07:59 AM	#7
ROBZILA [ ]TTTTTT[ ] Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CO Posts: 1,468 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I had a pretty good friend/tranny tec at dodge set/tighten my cable and i dnt think it would be the problem, i think it wants to shift into 4th at what ever set mph/rpm and then it realizes its WOT OD off stuters/surges and keeps going in 3rd, i would think sm kind of PCM/electric tranny issue like a cousin of torqe management if im even on the right page or we are talking about the same thing. __________________ Stone White 5.9 Vortech Intercooler BoltOns http://members.cardomain.com/robzila

08-27-2008, 04:04 PM	#8
bigemike Registered Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 336 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	it did it with both tunes, old and new, I went and bought a new rev 3 valve body assembly and new torque converter from wayne at aps. Hopefully when my box of joy gets here I won't have this issue anymore. __________________ 1998 5.9 white, w/ 4000 amps of kinetik battery and 4000 watts of kicker power. edelbrock rpm heads stage 1 porting, 210 grind comp cam, race balanced K&N Fipk, custom flash from positive performance through kolak, mopar M1 intake ported, thorley headers kolak exhuast with magnaflow muffler and tip, up country springs and teraflex spacers 18x8 centerline tomohawk tracers chrome, brembo rotors, kolak's pad setup.

08-27-2008, 04:14 PM	#9
jeepjeepjeep Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: davenprt, ia Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i recently have been havin an issue where my tranny keeps shifting between third and od at cruiseng speeds any i dea overdrive solenoid or torque converter( please tell tqc so that way i have an excuse to buy a new one) cough cough __________________ 94 5.9l R.I.P aug 2008

08-27-2008, 05:43 PM	#10
bigemike Registered Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 336 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	from my understanding from wayne at aps here is the deal. The vlave body on these things is problematic, it is semi electronically controlled, so he offers a shift kit and some other mods to go into the valve body. I actually bought a fully built valve body put together by APS, it will basically drop right into the tranny. The old kits required a resistor that effected how the computer controlled trans. This new rev uses no resistor and has different modifications to the valve body. This is all far out of my relm because I am no tranny guy. But what wayne said is that I should recieve about 70 more ft/lbs of torque to the wheels at launch. If that just cures the laxed shifting that I have now and gives me any kind of performance boost I will be happy with the money spent. It was about $1200 for the built valve body and the converter. Wayne at APS actually drives a 5.9 limited so he takes great pride in his work. you can do it in stages, but buying the complete valve body done by a trans guy with 25 years of expieriance is almost priceless. If you have questions email him off of the website http://www.apsprecision.com/ and he will call you and tell you more about that tranny than you ever wanted to know. He likes to drive his jeep hard just like us, so I feel like this has been money well spent. __________________ 1998 5.9 white, w/ 4000 amps of kinetik battery and 4000 watts of kicker power. edelbrock rpm heads stage 1 porting, 210 grind comp cam, race balanced K&N Fipk, custom flash from positive performance through kolak, mopar M1 intake ported, thorley headers kolak exhuast with magnaflow muffler and tip, up country springs and teraflex spacers 18x8 centerline tomohawk tracers chrome, brembo rotors, kolak's pad setup.

08-27-2008, 07:50 PM	#11
ROBZILA [ ]TTTTTT[ ] Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CO Posts: 1,468 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	could you do a favor and get some type of 60ft or any kind of # before and after the kit and TC __________________ Stone White 5.9 Vortech Intercooler BoltOns http://members.cardomain.com/robzila

08-28-2008, 12:17 PM	#12
bigemike Registered Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 336 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	sure I will try to get to the track next friday and get some # for you. I might have some if I dig around, but I will try to get some fresh ones. __________________ 1998 5.9 white, w/ 4000 amps of kinetik battery and 4000 watts of kicker power. edelbrock rpm heads stage 1 porting, 210 grind comp cam, race balanced K&N Fipk, custom flash from positive performance through kolak, mopar M1 intake ported, thorley headers kolak exhuast with magnaflow muffler and tip, up country springs and teraflex spacers 18x8 centerline tomohawk tracers chrome, brembo rotors, kolak's pad setup.

08-28-2008, 10:58 PM	#13
Mojo GroupBuy Leader Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 126 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	A 70 lb/ft increase in torque would be huge by seat of the pants feel, and should definitely show up on paper too. Is any flash of the PCM necessary to get results? I would be interested in any details you can give as to the improvements achieved with the APS valve body. Before and after track times would be excellent, although I'm mostly interested in the valve body itself, as I already have a stall converter. And if you are doing your own install, a writeup would be very nice. If it truly is a "drop-in" performance upgrade, I may have to pull the trigger. Keep us posted, Mojo __________________ Deep Slate 5.9 - Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revos - Stillen cross drilled rotors - Goodridge stainless brake lines - Addco Military Bars w/energy bushings - Up Country Springs - Pro Comp MX-6 shocks - Kolak Ignition upgrade - Tom Fox Positive Performance flash - FIPK II - Fastman 52mm Throttle Body - M1 2Bbl intake manifold - Comp Cam - Crower 1.6 RR's and lifters - Mopar valve covers - Jet Hot coated Mike Leach headers - Carsound Cat and Magnaflow muffler - Fastman 2400 stall converter and street built transmission.

08-29-2008, 05:10 PM	#14
bigemike Registered Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 336 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	mojo with a built tranny I am sure you would see some differences, but I am not sure what all is done to your ride. Mine is going from a stock rebuilt tranny to the new setup. I will keep everyone posted as we go along. __________________ 1998 5.9 white, w/ 4000 amps of kinetik battery and 4000 watts of kicker power. edelbrock rpm heads stage 1 porting, 210 grind comp cam, race balanced K&N Fipk, custom flash from positive performance through kolak, mopar M1 intake ported, thorley headers kolak exhuast with magnaflow muffler and tip, up country springs and teraflex spacers 18x8 centerline tomohawk tracers chrome, brembo rotors, kolak's pad setup.

12-03-2008, 01:24 AM	#15
5.9_racer Registered Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver Area Posts: 310 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	bigmike... wondering how your setup has been treating you lately?..... I should have me APS custom valve body any day now.... but have not done anything with the torque converter. give me some details. __________________ For items I have for sale, PM me on either site. As of (1/7/09) ... I have chosen to remain registered but most likely will not be active on this site. If you need something, send me a PM and it will get to me via email. Current: 1998 Deep Slate - 6.7L ZJ Stroked!... about to be Blown toO! Past: 92 MJ --> 89 XJ --> 99 WJ --> 92 YJ [RIP] --> 98 ZJ [RIP] --> 05 TJ

12-08-2008, 02:19 AM	#17
5.9_racer Registered Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver Area Posts: 310 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	2800 Billet TC from EDGE Racing (Andre - owner) Andre says he is assembling this one himself. $454.50. Through Dec.... should be here this coming week. I installed the APS custom valve body this weekend, take a look at my build up thread for links to pics.... __________________ For items I have for sale, PM me on either site. As of (1/7/09) ... I have chosen to remain registered but most likely will not be active on this site. If you need something, send me a PM and it will get to me via email. Current: 1998 Deep Slate - 6.7L ZJ Stroked!... about to be Blown toO! Past: 92 MJ --> 89 XJ --> 99 WJ --> 92 YJ [RIP] --> 98 ZJ [RIP] --> 05 TJ

12-08-2008, 04:23 AM	#18
JGC59 Registered Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh no, I meant what is the deal with the valve body? Tell us about that.

12-08-2008, 01:15 PM	#19
5.9_racer Registered Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Denver Area Posts: 310 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Going to refer you to the jeep59registry.com site.... I have a couple writeups on it. http://jeep59registry.com/twiki/bin/...ustomValveBody for pics of it... see this link... http://jeep59registry.com/twiki/bin/...gistry/BuildUp __________________ For items I have for sale, PM me on either site. As of (1/7/09) ... I have chosen to remain registered but most likely will not be active on this site. If you need something, send me a PM and it will get to me via email. Current: 1998 Deep Slate - 6.7L ZJ Stroked!... about to be Blown toO! Past: 92 MJ --> 89 XJ --> 99 WJ --> 92 YJ [RIP] --> 98 ZJ [RIP] --> 05 TJ

12-08-2008, 01:27 PM	#20
JGC59 Registered Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow...very impressive write-up and pictures, thanks for sharing my man! What's the deal with the prices on each item you listed or even better, what is the ballpark for what Wayne charged yo?

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