Anyone running these lifts.

TOrkk · 06-17-2007, 02:50 PM

For a 99 ltd 4.7, I just want opinions on the ride quality, and stuff like that.

Rock Krawler 4.5in Long Arm Flex System

IRO WJ 4" Critical Path Long Arm Lift Kit

Teraflex S4w (without the TB bracket and the drop pitman arm)

Im really banging my head on this, its my understand Long CA with help to smooth out ride of higher lifts.

NonStop · 06-17-2007, 03:11 PM

I'll kick it off and in a nice way.. You have over 100 posts and you must have seen the IRO post that has come up many many times lately, and as for the other lifts the Tera info goes back years, so do all the right ups and commentary on lifts... This is simple info that is more than searchable, it is a lazy question.. I only write this so that if the post gets pulled it is known that SEARCH will help weed out repetitive posts or info, ANYONE on here will answer a question posed on this topic if it is atleast minimally different from stuff you could do the leg work on..Even the 10,000 responses to these searchable questions are a waste of space....

TOrkk · 06-17-2007, 05:15 PM

so with your reasoning, no one should ask a simple question or poll. Because theres a search feature. I have searched and found info, I have located these lifts online and know what they come with. Im looking for real world recent opinions not the norm of "use the search".

I see the forums as a place to find and share info, what you are sharing is what I know and have used.

Searching anyone of these lifts thru the search feature is time consuming, not becuase of the shear numbers of hits " iron rock offroad" would net,but becuase it wouldnt necessarily be the info Im needing. Also theres the ZJ WJ factor, I asked a specific question to my model GC a WJ.

Got4wd · 06-17-2007, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOrkk

so with your reasoning, no one should ask a simple question or poll. Because theres a search feature. I have searched and found info, I have located these lifts online and know what they come with. Im looking for real world recent opinions not the norm of "use the search".

I see the forums as a place to find and share info, what you are sharing is what I know and have used.

Searching anyone of these lifts thru the search feature is time consuming, not becuase of the shear numbers of hits " iron rock offroad" would net,but becuase it wouldnt necessarily be the info Im needing. Also theres the ZJ WJ factor, I asked a specific question to my model GC a WJ.

What he is saying is it is much easier for you to search. It has been dicussed here many, many times. But maybe you are just lazy, want me to come install it for you too because its to time consuming???? Do some reading....

OffRoadFury · 06-17-2007, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOrkk

so with your reasoning, no one should ask a simple question or poll. Because theres a search feature. I have searched and found info, I have located these lifts online and know what they come with. Im looking for real world recent opinions not the norm of "use the search".

I see the forums as a place to find and share info, what you are sharing is what I know and have used.

Searching anyone of these lifts thru the search feature is time consuming, not becuase of the shear numbers of hits " iron rock offroad" would net,but becuase it wouldnt necessarily be the info Im needing. Also theres the ZJ WJ factor, I asked a specific question to my model GC a WJ.

If you search for "iron rock offroad" for example, look at all the hits and pick the ones that appear in the ZJ/WJ forums...you will know the thread is from that forum since the results tell you which forum the thread comes from. Use the titles to further narrow down your search.

I understand your point of view, but at the same time, it doesnt make sense to ask a question that has already been asked numerous times before and where information is clearly abundant within this site.

Just my

bigsurf75 · 06-17-2007, 07:29 PM

If you get rockkrawler you will die.

If you get tera your ride will suck.

If you get IRO, you will turn into gold.

hows that?

TOrkk · 06-17-2007, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigsurf75

If you get rockkrawler you will die.

If you get tera your ride will suck.

If you get IRO, you will turn into gold.

hows that?

thats good enough for me, when exactly will I turn to gold? When I order it or when I get it

thanx surf,

the rest of u suxor
1 I do my own work.
2 Forums like this should have a form of camaraderie, not the bashing someone for asking a question even if its been asked many times b4
3 I am lazy so what, I just dont want to make a mistake

I just spent about 4 hours searching and searching here and at JF, in my head I come to IRO over and over. It seems IRO and clayton are tops.

NonStop · 06-18-2007, 02:45 AM

Claytons is another level of lifting, well beyond andy short arm, geometry and strengths, way different... You see now if you had searched at all and found out what BigSurf summed up and then where curious about an IRO long arm kit and Claytons and the merrits of each, anyone on here with either kit would anwer to with no objection... IRO is a very well sorted out kit and has great ride quality from what I hear, all stock mounts stay on the Jeep so it is reversible, the rear stays a short arm so it really is not a long arm suspension so much as a LA front and lifted rear, but that has it's merrits too... again great lift..easy adjustment for alignment and geometry.. However if you are going to pound on the rocks and eventually upgrade your axles and such, I doubt I would run a pair of D60's hung under the short arms in the back and IRO LA in the front. This is a kit..and probably able to out twist some TJ's with a good lift.. It is well made and much tougher than a stock WJ but again, not Claytons... Claytons is a full replacement suspension system and does away with the stock mounting points all around and replaces the crossmember and rear A arm as well as incorporates uniframe reinforcements and links the front and rear arms.... It also uses very beefy control arms and pretty big joints at all corners. It trusses the rear axle and triangulates it.. it requires welding cutting and a pretty skilled/experienced installer... This is a tiny explanation as to what I would have answered an honest question about a still searchable inquiry, but not a simple question answered two days ago... So don't jump on my ass for putting it nicely that this info is repetative, make an effort and no one will pounce on anyone... No one here minds answering nooby or simple questions, I ask them too, but not if I remember hearing them asked recently or know they are in the DB.. I have been a search nazi lately because this is just too funny that people who have been here for a year know everything in one post then talk smack in another, or if you have been around long enough to read the names of the kits and other things,say having posted 100 time or around that, you have seen someone else post some funny method of saying SEARCH then ask.. sorry man but don't dig into me, I love being able to help with an answer, or get the same...but just as an example, I am currently running no lift what tire can I fit....and should I get a lift?

sparkster · 06-18-2007, 03:31 PM

I don't mind questions like yours, I feel thats what forums are for.

Plus it gives me a chance to share my experience of just installing the 4'' critical IRO upgrade on my jeep two days ago.

Before the upgrade I had basicley a full 4 inch lift with short arms. I was sick and tired of the ride qualtiy and death wobble occurances so I thought I would give this lift a try.

All I can say is that so far I am very happy with the outcome. My jeeps bumpsteer is reduced drastically, no more death wobble, dosn't seem nearly as top heavy (I also added wheel spacers to widen the stance), bumps seem to be distributed throughout the entire chasis rather then just the front end and steering wheel and me jeep brakes like a regular vehicle now without it wanting to go side to side when braking hard.
The negatives are: the instructions were very confusing without any diagrams and poor descriptions of the parts.
There was a couple small spacers missing from the package but I was able to find a substitute. (he is sending the missing spacers to me)

I have dealt with IRO a couple times now and I would say that one of the best things that comes with there products is the customer service they provide. I called them many times for help or with questions/concerns and everytime they spent the time to talk and explain. I would recommend this lift to anyone!

TOrkk · 06-18-2007, 07:53 PM

NonStop: Im not gonna jump your throat you made it somewhat clearer. See but I have searched and was tired of reading and trying to sort what I read so I figured I would ask to narrow down what I had read is all. What else is a forum about, besides having a thread of Jeep girls

Claytons do seem abit pricey for me, and more hardcore then I need

sparkster: I agree with ya , I called IRO today he explained and it coincides with what I read here. I am really concerned with road manners, and ability of handling tails be it light trails and such. I will prlly end up getting the 6.5 CP kit

NonStop · 06-18-2007, 08:43 PM

No joke, the road manners comment makes it clear that you would be better off with IRO, not that claytons isn't great onroad or that IRO isn't capable, but yeah, pavement pounders should be honest with their needs, occasional wheeling doesn't always warrant HD everything.... Mine are simple, I beat on parts like nobodies business, but I run high speeds daily, so I want it all, I drive too hard for most light duty LA kits, anythign short of Clayton's would mean me replacing parts weekly, so I will be up there before the end of the year, but Iam also figuring on axle swaps at the same time..
IRO has proven to be top notch as far as customer service and installed quality, seems like a simple choice for someone wanting a reasonably priced well done kit.. Awesome to hear all the good comments and reports on a company after years of crap being out there..
By the way, I grew up around the pine barrens....
I take nothing personally but I have read the same info you have and can figure on what the response to a simple question is by my own reasoning, like I said, NO ONE on here worth a chit would hound you for asking a question about something you are not sure of after doing the legwork, if you don't know something, there are two ways to learn, look, or ask someone to look for you..... give a man a fish/teach a man to fish....Good luck and post picks, of the jeep chicks, I have seen a million WJ's

06-17-2007, 03:11 PM	#2
NonStop Registered Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mouth of the Rat, Florida Posts: 1,221 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I'll kick it off and in a nice way.. You have over 100 posts and you must have seen the IRO post that has come up many many times lately, and as for the other lifts the Tera info goes back years, so do all the right ups and commentary on lifts... This is simple info that is more than searchable, it is a lazy question.. I only write this so that if the post gets pulled it is known that SEARCH will help weed out repetitive posts or info, ANYONE on here will answer a question posed on this topic if it is atleast minimally different from stuff you could do the leg work on..Even the 10,000 responses to these searchable questions are a waste of space.... __________________ 2000 5.2 4x4 WJ

06-17-2007, 07:29 PM	#6
bigsurf75 Registered Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,661 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you get rockkrawler you will die. If you get tera your ride will suck. If you get IRO, you will turn into gold. hows that? __________________ Bigsurf75 4.7HO Limited WJ 6.5'' Clayton's 33''s http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r...ediafilter=all www.ironrockoffroad.com

06-18-2007, 02:45 AM	#8
NonStop Registered Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mouth of the Rat, Florida Posts: 1,221 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Claytons is another level of lifting, well beyond andy short arm, geometry and strengths, way different... You see now if you had searched at all and found out what BigSurf summed up and then where curious about an IRO long arm kit and Claytons and the merrits of each, anyone on here with either kit would anwer to with no objection... IRO is a very well sorted out kit and has great ride quality from what I hear, all stock mounts stay on the Jeep so it is reversible, the rear stays a short arm so it really is not a long arm suspension so much as a LA front and lifted rear, but that has it's merrits too... again great lift..easy adjustment for alignment and geometry.. However if you are going to pound on the rocks and eventually upgrade your axles and such, I doubt I would run a pair of D60's hung under the short arms in the back and IRO LA in the front. This is a kit..and probably able to out twist some TJ's with a good lift.. It is well made and much tougher than a stock WJ but again, not Claytons... Claytons is a full replacement suspension system and does away with the stock mounting points all around and replaces the crossmember and rear A arm as well as incorporates uniframe reinforcements and links the front and rear arms.... It also uses very beefy control arms and pretty big joints at all corners. It trusses the rear axle and triangulates it.. it requires welding cutting and a pretty skilled/experienced installer... This is a tiny explanation as to what I would have answered an honest question about a still searchable inquiry, but not a simple question answered two days ago... So don't jump on my ass for putting it nicely that this info is repetative, make an effort and no one will pounce on anyone... No one here minds answering nooby or simple questions, I ask them too, but not if I remember hearing them asked recently or know they are in the DB.. I have been a search nazi lately because this is just too funny that people who have been here for a year know everything in one post then talk smack in another, or if you have been around long enough to read the names of the kits and other things,say having posted 100 time or around that, you have seen someone else post some funny method of saying SEARCH then ask.. sorry man but don't dig into me, I love being able to help with an answer, or get the same...but just as an example, I am currently running no lift what tire can I fit....and should I get a lift? __________________ 2000 5.2 4x4 WJ

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06-18-2007, 03:31 PM	#9
sparkster Registered Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't mind questions like yours, I feel thats what forums are for. Plus it gives me a chance to share my experience of just installing the 4'' critical IRO upgrade on my jeep two days ago. Before the upgrade I had basicley a full 4 inch lift with short arms. I was sick and tired of the ride qualtiy and death wobble occurances so I thought I would give this lift a try. All I can say is that so far I am very happy with the outcome. My jeeps bumpsteer is reduced drastically, no more death wobble, dosn't seem nearly as top heavy (I also added wheel spacers to widen the stance), bumps seem to be distributed throughout the entire chasis rather then just the front end and steering wheel and me jeep brakes like a regular vehicle now without it wanting to go side to side when braking hard. The negatives are: the instructions were very confusing without any diagrams and poor descriptions of the parts. There was a couple small spacers missing from the package but I was able to find a substitute. (he is sending the missing spacers to me) I have dealt with IRO a couple times now and I would say that one of the best things that comes with there products is the customer service they provide. I called them many times for help or with questions/concerns and everytime they spent the time to talk and explain. I would recommend this lift to anyone!

06-18-2007, 08:43 PM	#11
NonStop Registered Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mouth of the Rat, Florida Posts: 1,221 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	No joke, the road manners comment makes it clear that you would be better off with IRO, not that claytons isn't great onroad or that IRO isn't capable, but yeah, pavement pounders should be honest with their needs, occasional wheeling doesn't always warrant HD everything.... Mine are simple, I beat on parts like nobodies business, but I run high speeds daily, so I want it all, I drive too hard for most light duty LA kits, anythign short of Clayton's would mean me replacing parts weekly, so I will be up there before the end of the year, but Iam also figuring on axle swaps at the same time.. IRO has proven to be top notch as far as customer service and installed quality, seems like a simple choice for someone wanting a reasonably priced well done kit.. Awesome to hear all the good comments and reports on a company after years of crap being out there.. By the way, I grew up around the pine barrens.... I take nothing personally but I have read the same info you have and can figure on what the response to a simple question is by my own reasoning, like I said, NO ONE on here worth a chit would hound you for asking a question about something you are not sure of after doing the legwork, if you don't know something, there are two ways to learn, look, or ask someone to look for you..... give a man a fish/teach a man to fish....Good luck and post picks, of the jeep chicks, I have seen a million WJ's