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[DJ Koz]

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Report Date : August 24, 2005 at 07:46 PM
SEARCH TYPE : VEHICLE
YEAR : 2005
Make : JEEP
Model : GRAND CHEROKEE
Type : MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLE


Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10101116 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: November 16, 2004
VIN : 1J4HR48N45C...
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:SWITCH
Summary:
DRIVER'S KNEE WOULD HIT THE IGNITION SWITCH WHILE DRIVING,THIS CAUSED THE VEHICLE TO SHUT OFF. CONTACTED THE DEALER FOR THIS PROBLEM. DEALER INFORMED CONSUMER NO COMPLAINT ON THIS PROBLEM WAS RECORDED. *AK




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10102420 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: December 8, 2004
VIN : Not Available
Component: EXTERIOR LIGHTING:TURN SIGNAL
Summary:
LET ME START BY SAYING THAT I DO NOT OWN THIS VEHICLE BUY WAS FOLLOWING ONE LAST EVENING. IT WAS DARK, I WAS TRAVELING EAST ON RT 55 NEAR FRONT ROYAL, VA. A NEW (04 / 05) JEEP CHEROKEE STYLE VEHICLE WAS STOPPED MAKING A LEFT TURN ACROSS TRAFFIC. THE BRAKE LIGHTS WERE PLAINLY VISABLE BUT I COMMENTED TO MYSELF THAT THE DRIVER SHOULD USE TURN SIGNALS WHEN MAKING THIS MANUVER, ESPECIALLY ON THE WELL TRAVELED ROAD. AS I GOT CLOSER TO THE STOPPED VEHICLE, TO MY SURPRISE, THE TURN SIGNALS WERE ON AND WORKING....PROBLEM IS ...FROM 100 FEET BEHIND, THE INTENSITY OF THE BRAKE LIGHTS OVER SHADOWED THE OPERATION OF THE TURN SIGAL AS THEY ARE BOTH RED AND OPERATE ON SEPERATE LIGHT FIXTURES. *AK




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10103300 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: December 7, 2004
VIN : 1J4HS48N75C...
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION
Summary:
CONSUMER CONTACTED THE DEALER ABOUT AN IGNITION PROBLEM. MECHANIC STATED THAT A CAUSE COULD NOT BE DETERMINED. CONSUMER INFORMED THE MECHANIC. WHEN DRIVER ENTERED INTO THE VEHICLE AND STARTED IT UP, AND WHILE DRIVING DRIVER'S KNEES HIT AGAINST THE IGNITION. THIS CAUSED THE VEHICLE TO SHUT DOWN INTERMITTENTLY, BUT DRIVER WAS ABLE TO RESTART IT. *AK




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10104131 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: December 4, 2004
VIN : Not Available
Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
Summary:
FROM THE FIRST DAY TOOK DELIVER OF 2005 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE LTD. 5.7 LT HEMI ENGINE, FIRST IN WHEN PRESSING ACCELERATOR IN LOW RPM, THEN WHEN REACHED 80 MPH. ON FLAT FREEWAY (WITH 400 MILES ON THE ODOMETER), ECESSIVE GROAN AND NOISE FROM THE ENGINE. SAME NOISE WAS NOT PRESENT ON IDENTICALLY EQUIPED TEST-DRIVE VEHICLE. APPARENT HIGH FREQUENCY VIBARTION, ESPECIALLY IN LOW CRUISING SPPEDS ON PERFECTLY FLAT PAVEMENT. VIBRATION STRENGTH INCREASING IN HIGHER RPM. HESITANT ENGINE IN LOW RPM AND WHILE ACCELERATING. APPARENT UNDERPOWERED OPERATION, COMPARED TO TEST-DRIVEN VEHICLE. TWO JEEP DEALER SERVICE TECHNICIANS TEST DROVE THE VEHICLE FOR 50 MILES. PROBLEM CONFIRMED BY SERVICE. FIRST ATTEMPT, FAILED TO FIX MALFUNCTION. ADIVSED TO BRING BACK FOR A LONGER STAY. SECOND ATTEMPT - AFTER 50 MILES OF OPERATION - (VEHICLE STAYED IN DEALERHIP SERVICE FOR 4 BUSINESS DAYS) UNSUCCESSFUL ATTEMPT TO FIX AQAIN. VEHICLE ASSESSED AS SAFE TO DRIVE UNTIL DAIMLER CHRYSLER ADVISES ON ANOTHER SOLUTION. CURRENTLY VEHICLE WITH APPROX. 600 MILES. *AK




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10104470 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: December 5, 2004
VIN : 1J4HR48N65C...
Component: VISIBILITY:POWER WINDOW DEVICES AND CONTROLS
Summary:
2005 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS, NO ESCAPE THROUGH WINDOWS IN COLD WEATHER. A LL 4 ELECTRIC WINDOWS WILL NOT OPEN IN COLD WEATHER IF MINIMAL AMOUNT OF WATER HAS SEEPED PASSED OUTSIDE WINDOW SEAL. THIS POSSES AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SITUATION IF EVACUATION FROM THE VEHICLE IS NECESSARY AND THE DOORS ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE. THIS HAPPENS TO ME EVERY DAY AND I JUST PURCHASED THE VEHICLE ONE MONTH AGO, AND LIVING IN THE NORTHEAST WHERE THE OUTSIDE TEMPS ARE BELOW FREEZING EVERY DAY. *AK




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10106060 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: November 1, 2004
VIN : 1J4GR48K15C...
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:SWITCH
Summary:
BOUGHT A 2005 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE IN LATE OCTOBER. HAVE HAD NUMEROUS INSTANCES ON ENGINE SHUTTING DOWN WHILE DRIVING, INCLUDING ON A BUSY EXPRESSWAY. NEITHER CHRYSLER NOR THE DEALER WAS ABLE TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM (THE DEALER'S SERVICE DEPARTMENT WAS IN CONTACT WITH CHRYSLER TECHICAL SUPPORT WHEN TRYING TO REPAIR). THEY TRIED A COUPLE OF REPAIRS SUGGESTED BY CHRYSLER THAT DID NOT RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. FINALLY REALIZED I WAS GENTLY BUMPING THE IGNITIION KEY OR ATTACHED KEYS WHEN GOING FROM THE ACCELERATOR TO THE BRAKE AND THE SWITCH WAS MOVING TO "ACCESSORY" FROM "ON" AND KILLING THE ENGINE. THE TWO POSITIONS ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER. HAVE TALKED TO TWO PEOPLE AT THE DEALERSHIP WHO HAVE HAD THIS HAPPEN WITH EITHER A JEEP OR PACIFICA. TO ME THIS IS A SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERN THAT COULD GET SOMEONE INJURED OR KILLED IF IN TRAFFIC. I REMOVED ALL OTHER KEYS AND EVEN THE RING FROM THE IGNITION KEY TO TRY TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING. WITH THIS INFORMATION, THE DEALER HAS AGREED TO REPLACE THE IGNITIION CYLINDER; I ASKED THAT THEY CHECK THE OTHER GRAND CHEROKEES TO SEE IF IT'S A COMMON PROBLEM SEVERAL DAYS AGO, BUT THEY HAVE NOT YET RESPONDED. TO ME AS AN ENGINEER, THERE ARE TWO PROBLEMS: THE IGNITION SWITCH IS VERY LOW ON THE DASHBOARD WHERE THE KEY CAN EASILY BE HIT, AND THE TWO POSITIONS ON THE SWITCH ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER, MAKING THIS PROBLEM EASY TO OCCUR. IF THERE IS THE SLIGHTEST WEAKNESS IN THE SPRING IN THE IGNITION, THIS IS EVEN MORE LIKELY.*AK




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : Yes Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10108218 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: January 28, 2005
VIN : 1J4HR58285C...
Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:POWER ASSIST
Summary:
OUR 2005 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE 5.7L LIMITED HAS NOW ON TWO OCCASIONS WHEN STOPPED AND IN GEAR WITH BRAKE ON , RAPIDLY ACCELERATED. ONCE IN REVERSE, AND ONCE IN FORWARD. THE FIRST TIME WAS ON JAN 14TH WHEN I WAS BEHIND THE WHEEL WAITING FOR MY WIFE TO GET IN AFTER JUST BACKING OUT OF THE GARAGE AND RESTING MY FOOT ON THE BRAKE PEDAL. FORTUNATELY, JUST BEFORE SHE STEPPED INTO THE OPEN DOOR THE CAR ACCELERATED RAPIDLY BACKWARD AT FULL THROTTLE UNTIL I COULD HIT THE BREAKS HARD. THE CAR WENT APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET. AGAIN YESTERDAY AS MY WIFE STOPPED AT THE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO GET OUR MAIL, SHE REALIZED SHE NEEDED TO BACKUP AND GET CLOSER TO THE MAIL BOX. AS SHE PULLED FORWARD-A DISTANCE OF 10 FEED, SHE CAME TO A GRADUAL STOP JUST BEFORE THE MAIL BOX. THE CAR THEN LEAPED FORWARD AT HIGH ACCELERATION SMASHING OFF TWO MAILBOXES MOUNDED ON A 4*4 POST SPLITTING IT IN HALF, THEN WENT APPROXIMATELY 15 FEET BEFORE CRASHING THROUGH A SNOW BANK AND HITTING A LARGE WOODED HEDGE. DAMAGE WAS LIMITED TO LARGE SCRATCH IN THE HOOD, SMALL DENTS ABOVE HEAD LIGHT, DENT ON FRONT QUARTER PANEL , AND SMALL DENT ON RIGHT DOOR. WE HAVE FILED A POLICE REPORT, CONTACTED OUR INSURANCE AGENT, AND CONTACTED CHRYSLER WHO PROMISED TO DO AN INVESTIGATION NEXT WEEK. MY ASSESSMENT IS THE BREAK PEDAL, AND THE GAS PEDAL IS 2.5 INCHES APART, AND WHEN YOU SLOWLY APPLY THE BREAK IT WILL SQUASH TO THE POINT THAT IT IS AT OR BELOW THE GAS PEDAL LEVEL. IF WEARING HEAVY SHOES OR BOOTS THIS CAUSES THE SIDE OF THE SHOE TO HIT THE GAS PEDAL THEREFORE THE RAPID ACCELERATION OF THE VERY RESPONSIVE 5.7 HEMI ENGINE. WE WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH TO NOTIFY ALL WHO ARE DRIVING THIS VEHICLE TO BE VERY CAREFUL...AS THIS SITUATION COULD HAVE BEEN FATAL IN BOTH SITUATIONS.*AK




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10108942 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: January 2, 2005
VIN : 1J4GS48K35C...
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
Summary:
WHILE DRIVING ON THE FREEWAY 70 MPH AND WHEN SLOWING DOWN TO TAKE AN EXIT THE VEHICLE SHUT DOWN, THERE WAS NO POWER AT ALL. CONSUMER WAS ABLE TO PULL OVER AND RESTART THE VEHICLE. CONSUMER DROVE THE NEXT DAY TO THE DEALERSHIP AND LEFT THE VEHICLE. DEALER COULD FIND NOTHING WRONG AFTER THREE DAYS. AFTER PICKING THE VEHICLE UP FROM THE DEALER IT SHUT DOWN WHILE AT A STOP LIGHT. CONSUMER TOOK IT BACK TO THE DEALER. NO DEFECTS COULD BE FOUND. CONSUMER WENT ON A TRIP, AND THE VEHICLE STOPPED WHILE MAKING A RIGHT TURN. AGAIN THE DEALER COULD NOT FIND ANY DEFECTS. *AK COMPUTER WAS REPLACED. THERE WAS ALSO REAR SUSPENSION NOISE. SUNROOF IS NOISY. *TT




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10108942 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: January 2, 2005
VIN : 1J4GS48K35C...
Component: SUSPENSION:REAR
Summary:
WHILE DRIVING ON THE FREEWAY 70 MPH AND WHEN SLOWING DOWN TO TAKE AN EXIT THE VEHICLE SHUT DOWN, THERE WAS NO POWER AT ALL. CONSUMER WAS ABLE TO PULL OVER AND RESTART THE VEHICLE. CONSUMER DROVE THE NEXT DAY TO THE DEALERSHIP AND LEFT THE VEHICLE. DEALER COULD FIND NOTHING WRONG AFTER THREE DAYS. AFTER PICKING THE VEHICLE UP FROM THE DEALER IT SHUT DOWN WHILE AT A STOP LIGHT. CONSUMER TOOK IT BACK TO THE DEALER. NO DEFECTS COULD BE FOUND. CONSUMER WENT ON A TRIP, AND THE VEHICLE STOPPED WHILE MAKING A RIGHT TURN. AGAIN THE DEALER COULD NOT FIND ANY DEFECTS. *AK COMPUTER WAS REPLACED. THERE WAS ALSO REAR SUSPENSION NOISE. SUNROOF IS NOISY. *TT




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10108942 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: January 2, 2005
VIN : 1J4GS48K35C...
Component: VISIBILITY:SUN ROOF ASSEMBLY
Summary:
WHILE DRIVING ON THE FREEWAY 70 MPH AND WHEN SLOWING DOWN TO TAKE AN EXIT THE VEHICLE SHUT DOWN, THERE WAS NO POWER AT ALL. CONSUMER WAS ABLE TO PULL OVER AND RESTART THE VEHICLE. CONSUMER DROVE THE NEXT DAY TO THE DEALERSHIP AND LEFT THE VEHICLE. DEALER COULD FIND NOTHING WRONG AFTER THREE DAYS. AFTER PICKING THE VEHICLE UP FROM THE DEALER IT SHUT DOWN WHILE AT A STOP LIGHT. CONSUMER TOOK IT BACK TO THE DEALER. NO DEFECTS COULD BE FOUND. CONSUMER WENT ON A TRIP, AND THE VEHICLE STOPPED WHILE MAKING A RIGHT TURN. AGAIN THE DEALER COULD NOT FIND ANY DEFECTS. *AK COMPUTER WAS REPLACED. THERE WAS ALSO REAR SUSPENSION NOISE. SUNROOF IS NOISY. *TT




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10109446 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: January 24, 2005
VIN : 1J4HR58265C...
Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
Summary:
THE RPMS INCREASE AND VEHICLE IDLES, CAUSING THE VEHICLE TO ACCELERATE ON ITS OWN. TAKEN TO DEALER FOR CHECKUP, BUT THE CAUSE WAS UNDETERMINED.*AK




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10109591 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: December 3, 2004
VIN : 1J4HR48NX5C...
Component: POWER TRAIN
Summary:
THE VEHICLE'S SHIFT LEVER BECAME STUCK IN PARK. *NM A NEW MODULE WAS ORDERED AND INSTALLED ALONG WITH THE BROKEN SHIFTER CABLE AND SHIFTER. *SC




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : Yes Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10110687 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: February 16, 2005
VIN : Not Available
Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:PEDALS AND LINKAGES
Summary:
PROBLEM********WIFE AND MYSELF WERE UNAWARE WE WERE STEPPING ON THE ACCELERATOR AND BRAKE PEDALS AT THE SAME TIME.********** I FIGURED IT OUT TWICE IN TIME TO AVOID WRECK BY STANDING ON BRAKE WITH LEFT FOOT. MY 7 MONTH PREGNANT WIFE WHILE STANDING ON BRAKE WITH AMPLE STOPPING DISTANCE REAR-ENDED ANOTHER VEHICLE. I BELIEVE THERE ARE TWO CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO DESIGN FLAW IN THIS '05 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE. ONE IS SAME-LEVEL POSITIONING OF BRAKE AND ACCELERATOR PEDALS AND THE SUPER QUIET "QUIET STEEL" COMPOSITION OF COCKPIT. MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO BE UNAWARE OF ENGINE NOISE WHILE STEPPING ON GAS AND BRAKE AT HE SAME TIME. THE ENGINE PUSHED THE VEHICLE THRU A STOP WHILE STANDING ON THE BRAKE AND WE COULD NOT HEAR THE ENGINE ACCELERATING. IN MY MIND THIS IS A BIG DEAL SAFETY ISSUE. MY WIFE HAD AN ACCIDENT JUST LAST NIGHT WITH MINOR DAMAGE AND WE INTEND TO START DEALING WITH THE RETAILER TONIGHT AFTER WORK. *JB




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10111029 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: February 7, 2005
VIN : 1J4GS48K65C...
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
Summary:
THE VEHICLE STALLED ON ITS OWN WHILE DRIVING. DRIVER WAS UNABLE TO RESTART VEHICLE. DRIVER HAD THE VEHICLE TOWED TO THE DEALER FOR INSPECTION, BUT MECHANIC COULD NOT DUPLICATE THE PROBLEM. *AK







Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10112589 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: March 5, 2005
VIN : 1J4GR48K35C...
Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
Summary:
I HAVE A 2005 GRAND CHEROKEE LAREDO UNDER 3000 MILES. MY ENGINE LIGHT HAS COME ON LESS THAN 10 TIMES ,AND MY CAR HAS STALLED WHEN COME TO STOP LIGHT OR COMPLETE STOP ABOUT 5 TIMES. I HAVE MADE 5 TRIPS TO THE DEALER AND THE FIRST FEW TIMES THEY COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. THEN THEY DETERMINED IT WAS RELATED TO THE REMOTE START WHICH THEY HAD INSTALLED. I GOT IT BACK AND THEY SAID IT WAS FIXED AND IT STALLED OUT WHEN I PULLED INTO MY DRIVEWAY THAT VERY DAY. ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON AGAIN EXACTLY 1 WEEK LATER. ENGINE LIGHT IS STILL ON NOW. THIS WILL BE MY 7TH TRIP TO THE DEALER FOR THIS PROBLEM. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT I HAVE ALSO HIT THE KEY IN THE IGNITION TWICE WHICH MADE THE CAR SHUT OFF AND MY CAR HAS ALSO REVVED UP WITH THE BRAKE ON JUST AS THE OTHER COMPLAINTS ON THIS SITE. I AM ALSO ONLY GETTING 12 MILES PER GALLON!*AK




Make : JEEP Model : GRAND CHEROKEE Year : 2005
Manufacturer : DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10114038 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: March 10, 2005
VIN : Not Available
Component: SEAT BELTS:FRONT
Summary:
I HAVE NOT PURCHASED THE VEHICLE. THE 2005 JEEP GRAND CHEROLEE HAS SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTENED THE FRONT SEAT BELTS, TO THE POINT WHERE A LARGER INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE TOTALLY UNABLE TO BUCKLE THE BELT, EVEN WITH THE SEAT ALL THE WAY BACK. I DO NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM WITH MY 1999 GRAND CHEROKEE, OR ANY OTHER VEHICLE I HAVE EVER OWNED OR RENTED. THE SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTER SEAT BELT WILL CAUSE

[rx7dan]

Who the hell are driving these things and are so large that they bump the ignition switch. Didn't these people test drive the thing before buying it? I'm 6'4" and my leg doesn't even come close to the ignition switch. I love how the ignition is on the dash now. Maybe these people should try putting the seat back more. There are so many people who sit way to close to the steering wheel.

[litton]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I see a lot of comments but 3? issues?

Nevertheless, I will pay careful attention to the brake/throttle relationship and the key problem. Especially with big boots. The frozen window....not a pro problem in Tucson.

Personally, I reall appreciate this being brought to the forum.....who knows, a mishap may have been avoided.

[whitehotwj47]

People admitting to their own self correctable stupidity.

[nlgrav182]

That's just how lazy people have become... They can't move their foot far enough to depress only one pedal. That's good stuff.

Thanks for that, I haven't laughed like that since i was 7. As stated, move your seat, or join the NBA and have someone drive you. I love how it says that these people could've died or that these situations were potentially fatal. I wish there was a video of these people rocketing their cars off and knocking down two mailboxes. Priceless.

[litton]

Now the frozen window thing, I had a rental car in northern Alberta do the same thing.....-47 degrees for the two weeks I was up there. The outside mirrors had 1/2 of ice that never came off and the windshield would sleet up with the heat and defrosters on high. Are those safety problems?

Then there was the Moose on the road.

[rx7dan]

Yep, I wear a Size 13 shoe and never seem to have a problem. Even with boots. Yes, the WK has less room in the footwell than other vehicles, but it's not bad enough to be a problem for me.

[thecheenster]

AND THE SUPER QUIET "QUIET STEEL" COMPOSITION OF COCKPIT. MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO BE UNAWARE OF ENGINE NOISE WHILE STEPPING ON GAS AND BRAKE AT HE SAME TIME. THE ENGINE PUSHED THE VEHICLE THRU A STOP WHILE STANDING ON THE BRAKE AND WE COULD NOT HEAR THE ENGINE ACCELERATING. IN MY MIND THIS IS A BIG DEAL SAFETY ISSUE.

..nice...stepping on the gas and brake at the same time...AND this is the ringer "SUPER QUIET COMPOSITION OF COCKPIT"...guess they need a Flowmaster 40....

"BIG DEAL SAFETY ISSUE"...you know what... this guy and his wife are BIG DEAL SAFETY ISSUES!..just hope they don't live in MN!

[RonC5]

I had an 06 rental this past weekend. I had no problem with the gas/brake pedals, but did experience the shutting off the ignition with my knee. I was on I95 in light traffic, cruise control on. I moved my leg to adjust my position in the seat and hit the key and shut it down. I am only 5'-11", but have long legs (32 inseam pants). The seat was adjusted back and slightly reclined so my knee was closer to the dash.

[bullaculla]

Try driving a Mazda3. The brake pedal is so close to the gas pedal, even with my shoe rubbing against the center console wall to the right, I still sometimes clip the brake pedal.

BTW, no problems with my WK at all, besides my regret for not buying a 4x4

[DJ Koz]

There was more stupidity but it wouldn't fit in the post.

[rickerbr]

The ignition key thing is a minor annoyance. I'm 6'6" and my knee can hit it (39" inseam). I just make sure to put the key in so that the hole for the keyring is on top. Once you are aware of it, it shouldn't be a problem however. FWIW my wife is 5'11" and she has hit it before but not to the point of turning the switch off.

If you're going to put the key in the dash and not the column, put it on the left side for LHD cars as God and Ferry Porsche intended. This was for the old LeMans style starts, the right hand was on the gear shift and the left activated the starter. Not sure how those drivers got their belts on though.

Brian

[rickerbr]

On the gas/brake pedal front, I'm surprised that DCX didn't make it so that if your foot was on the brake, the DBW throttle is closed. My 2001 Audi did this, you had to time your heel-toe shifts so that you always got the brake first. If you had your foot on the throttle and then got the brake the throttle closed. Audi is pretty conscienous about this however (d*mn 60 minutes and the 5000s).

In general my belief on the "unintended" acceleration is that most Americans should only be licensed to drive tricycles anyway. Most of my cars have been manual transmission with pedals close together and I've never had a problem getting the wrong pedal (even with 2 "brake" pedals and size 13 clod hoppers ).

[Chris's Hemi]

Not to worry, I've just called the WHAMBULANCE

Wha - I dont understand where the gas pedal is
Wha - the car is too quiet
Wha - I cant see the WK's turn signals

That last guy thought he complain on someone elses behalf - lol

[LoneStarNation]

I'm 6-9 (svelt) and learned my lesson after hitting it once. Still want to get my hands on the engineer who decided to put the ignition in its current position rather than on the center console.

[HemiWay]

Originally Posted by DJ Koz

There was more stupidity but it wouldn't fit in the post.

I think this could be a good list to provide nominations for the Annual Darwin Awards !

[Fanhost.com]

you are 6'9"??? I am 6'4" and almost didn't buy this car because of the height of the seats.. My head is about 2" from the ceiling, seat all the way back. How the heck did you fit in this thing?

[DJ Koz]

Originally Posted by HemiWay

I think this could be a good list to provide nominations for the Annual Darwin Awards !

True.

[QwikZJ-5.9]

I'm 6'-3" and if I don't lower the pedals and back up the seat some after my mom has driven it, I hit the key and have turned it off several times. If it were on the column like it is supposed to be it would be a non-issue. Kinda sucks but o'well what doesn't suck about it.

[soldierguy]

Originally Posted by QwikZJ-5.9

If it were on the column like it is supposed to be it would be a non-issue.

Nothing says the key has to be on the column. Keys used to be mostly on the dash up through the 60's then migrated to the steering column. Now they're going back to the dash on a lot of vehicles. Saab has always had them on the center console, and Porsche has them to the left of the wheel...they can go pretty much anywhere the manufacturer wants them to go.