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    got an english essay due monday and im comparing/contrasting zjs and wjs
    teacher said we could do cars :laugh:
    it just needs to be 2 pages, which should be VERY easy.

    i already have a pretty good idea, im just hitting general ideas, nothing too in depth. heres what i ahve so far

    Comparisons:
    -unibodies
    -solid axles
    -4 way coils (no leaf springs)
    -need to lift before you can fit 31s (WITHOUT rubbing and/or trimming)
    -similar suspension set up (for the most part)
    -both came mostly with AWD t-cases (yes i know different t-cases, but same concept)
    -small factory sway bars to aid offroad performance (compared to most other SUVS)


    Difference:
    -engines, transmissions (5.2, 5.9 vs 4.7, 4.7 HO)
    -general appearance/body style
    -WJ brakes are much better (2 piston vs 1)
    -trims aside from limited/laredo (zj has wagoneer, orvis, and TSL; wj has freedom, columbia, special edition, and overland)
    -WJ spare tire stuffed in the floor; ZJ in the trunk
    -zj: spark plugs; WJ: spark coils?
    -WJ has dual climate zone :ahhh:
    -aftermarket sway bar effects (ZJ: more effective/noticable in front. WJ: more effective/noticable in back)

    those are just the general points i am going to hit.
    anything missing, or anything wrong in any of those?
    (no flaming if there are any mistakes, those were just from the top of my head)
    thanks!
    -John-
    -I'm 22 and learning.

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    The Wj used high strength steel in the ladder frame/chassi.
    The Wj used galvanized(sp) welding procedures(less prone to rust)
    The Wj has better aerodinamics vs the Zj
    The Wj size vs. size(pound per pound) is lighter in weight
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    .at the end of your paper, it should read. "The WJ is clearly the winner, and last real JEEP made"!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz5150 View Post
    The Wj used high strength steel in the ladder frame/chassi.
    The Wj used galvanized(sp) welding procedures(less prone to rust)
    The Wj has better aerodinamics vs the Zj
    The Wj size vs. size(pound per pound) is lighter in weight
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    .at the end of your paper, it should read. "The WJ is clearly the winner, and last real JEEP made"!!!

    :touche: <<slides in the flame suit>>
    haha thank you, i did not know about that info.
    as far as wj better? meh . its just more modernized
    i love my zj, and i wish i had a WJ along with my ZJ... dont we all
    thank you tho, keep the info coming guys
    -John-
    -I'm 22 and learning.

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    - Lifted 5" on Long arms with plenty of fun stuff



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    make sure you add at the end how the 5.9 will smoke any vehicle in the world
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    heh ill do that just for you
    -John-
    -I'm 22 and learning.

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    WJ had closed-profile control arms vs. ZJ open profile.

    WJ had rear tri-link a-arm suspension vs. 5-link ZJ.

    WJ had two highly effective LSD's vs. one crappy in ZJ

    WJ has more suspension travel than ZJ does


    I'll add more later
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    There are some minor interior differences like the location of the emergency brake handle and the grab bar over the passenger window in the WJ.

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    Just to balance things a bit out:

    1) The WJ dash and interior looks like crap compared to ZJ
    2) People always whine on here that their 4.0 WJ lacks power. It is "normal" for 4.0 WJ to downshift to 2nd gear on steeper hills. My ZJ doesn't even downshift to 3rd.
    3) Compare the frontal offset crash tests of the 2 vehicles here: ZJ is definitely better than WJ.
    4) Many WJs suffer from shimmy brakes, deathwobble

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    Oh, I know what I forgot about:

    Totally different steering linkage- WJ keeps it's toe in every axle-to-body position.

    As for the engine, sure the 4.0 in WJ works worse than in ZJ, but I thought we are comparing the V8 models? At least that's what OP did.
    To make it clear- I'm not bashing ZJ, it is a great rig that I like a lot. But there were many good improvements in WJ which we are listing now. I don't know if they did anything important worse in WJ than it was in ZJ. Any ideas?
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    With the WJ, Chryco forgot how to design blend doors, window actuators and door lock actuators that work for more than 2 years. The ZJ may have its flaws (AC evap, warping brake rotors, alu 44 axle in 96-98 V8s) but in general, the quality of the WJ was disappointing to me, in view of the fact that there were other improvements (better suspension, better transmission).
    I just refuse to buy a vehicle, where they can't make the heat work and the windows go up n down, and the doors unlock. Those are pretty basic things, that still work perfectly on my 10 year old ZJ by the way!
    Cheap azz ChryCo and cheap plastic sheat parts. If Cerberus does not correct this, I don't care how many plants they close and how many people they lay off, their stuff still won't sell.
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    You are trying to talk about too much for a two page paper. Stick to 3 major points on either side. For similarities do the unibody, suspension, and engines. For differences do brakes, suspension, and engines. Remember in this type of paper you may consider leading with sweeping topic sentences. Stay in school and get your head out of Jeeps!

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    hay you want to send me a copy of this paper when ya done ? please ? maby ? the v8 zjs had a much stronger as far as simple and reliable compared to the 4.7 4.7 has to rev way higher to make decent power . 5.9 craps all over a 4.7 .. to me the wjs look too round and ugly . the wj leather interior is seats only is a bit nicer than standard lim ited zj leather (5.9 is nicer ) zj is a bit more of a jeep than a wj simplicity is key.. oh ya and the heat on my 1993 zj works mint so

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    5.2 Kid you are speaking subjectively. A paper has to be objective. You can't say "I think the 5.9 craps all over the 4.7." You have to say "The 5.9 engine craps all over the 4.7 because at X,XXX RPM's it makes more power. At this RPM XX&#37; of drivers are always using their vehicle so it would be beneficial to make power here." See how I used facts and proven points over my own thoughts to relay it? Both you kids should research subjective and objective writing styles before writing.

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    ill tell ya right now i couldnt write a decent paper on anything if my life depended on it . Have ya seen my awsome grammer skills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.2 zj kid View Post
    ill tell ya right now i couldnt write a decent paper on anything if my life depended on it . Have ya seen my awsome grammer skills?
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    Quote Originally Posted by guthycs View Post
    Just to balance things a bit out:

    1) The WJ dash and interior looks like crap compared to ZJ

    You gotta be kidding......
    I am talking about Limited vs Limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EldarV8 View Post
    You gotta be kidding......
    I am talking about Limited vs Limited.
    No kidding here. That's my opinion, regardless if it's a Limited or Laredo. The WJ dash is made of some cheap plastic. Buy hey, that's I guess the "natural" evolution. Vehicles nowadays do not get better, just cheaper. Oh yeah, you'll get lots of IMHO stupid unnecessary features, like automatic lights, automatic rain sensing wipers, auto parallel parking, stability control, tire pressure monitor etc. If someone is so retarded that doesn't know one needs to turn on the wipers in rain and lights when dark, he-she shouldn't be allowed to drive a vehicle.
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    The 5.9L doesn't have that much more power over the 4.7L H.O.
    And if you want to see a vehicle that will smoke the 5.9L, look at the Grand Cherokee SRT600. That Cherokee will smoke Porsches.
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    hahaha wow way to much info for 2 pages now
    actually. i prolly already did lol
    but i just wanted to make sure all the stuff i had was correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by JEEP View Post
    Stay in school and get your head out of Jeeps!
    lol this is a compare/contrast essay, and my teacher said we could do anything. then gave us a few examples and she said cars..
    so why not do zj vs wj? very simple and i already know it off the top of my head
    -John-
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    There is really no question as to which one is the better jeep. Its the ZJ of course.

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