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    Do you need lockout hubs to put in a front locker?

    I was ready to order a locker (probably a No Slip) for my dana 30 when I called Tractech to ask about the EZ locker and the engineer recommended not put a locker in the front of a TJ unless I have lockout hubs. He said you are turning the locker all the time and it can cause unpredictable steering behavior, even in 2 high.
    I have read a lot of posts and it seems that quite aa few are running LockRights and No Slips in their front ends. Do you notice any problems ? What about increased wear or drag?
    I know a TJ front axle does not have the vacumn disconnects like a YJ but what is the difference when running in 2 high?


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    You do not need to run hubs with a front locker. I've been running a front Lockright for a few months with no "unpredictable steering behavior." In 2-high, I barely hear a clicking noise when I turn, and occasionally get a little bucking if I try to make a fast U-turn. Otherwise, I don't even know it's there until I lock it into 4WD.

    Front hubs would be a nice addition, but they're not required.

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    I'm running a Lockright up front (installed 9 months ago). In 2WD I cannot tell it's even there 99% of time time. Ocassionally on tight or quick turns I'll get one or a few clicks but that's about it. In 4WD it does have some minor quirks but it varies with the terrain. Sometimes it's barely noticeable, sometimes the steering feels tight. I've gotten used to it and it's not a problem for me. Actually, ehen I first installed the front locker I was expecting the handling characteristics to be a lot worse.

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    I have a No SLip in each axel. The front is invisible in 2WD absolutely ZERO steering issues. Mine does not click or pop at all. The rear is predictable in tight turns as it might chirp or buck if you are moving slow. You'll have great success with a EZ locker or No Slip.

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    My TJ's new front No-Slip has been in several months now and I can't tell it's there in 2wd.

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    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jerry Bransford:
    My TJ's new front No-Slip has been in several months now and I can't tell it's there in 2wd.

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    Jerry, can you briefly explain the difference between the TJ front drive assembly and a YJ?
    Why would the engineer at Tractech say that the TJ has a "live axle" and I should not put a locker in it unless I install hubs?
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    TJs are a "live axel"
    but the lockers are torque sensitive and in 2WD the T/C does not supply the front shaft with power, hence the locker will not lock.

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    Randy TJ, you're rigth, there are quite a few that have front TJ lockers w/o doing hub conversions. I dare say there are hundreds on this board alone that have done exactly this. Put your locker in and forget about - no need to install locking hubs. Worst case scenario is Tractech might not warranty the locker if it should fail and they come to learn you've installed it on a TJ w/o doing a hub conversion - but there are a pittiful few who've had to worry about making a claim. But keep in mind you'll need to stay modest in your tire size. If you try and run more than say 33" tires, you are running a higher risk of a D30 locked axel failing.

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    "Why would the engineer at Tractech say that the TJ has a "live axle" and I should not put a locker in it unless I install hubs?"

    All Jeeps have "Live axels" this means that the entire driveline is rotating with the vehicle regardless of the TC setting. It isn't a concern really with a 2wd option on the TC cause no torque is going to the front axel.
    Now I was worried about the True Trac in my ZJ's D30 because of the 249 TC. It added a slightly heavy, sedated feel to the steering. I consider the TT a very worthwhile addition to the ZJ.
    I have No Slip's F&R in the TJ and love them. The rear does chirp slightly in slow speed tight turns

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    Isn't there a disconnect on the TJ's front axle like the YJ's?

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    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GrimmReaper:
    Isn't there a disconnect on the TJ's front axle like the YJ's?</font>
    There isn't a disconnect on TJs.

    But back to the original question, I've never heard of a problem with running a front locker in a TJ while you're in 2wd.

    It does cause the steering to be slightly heavier. Really! It does. Really subtle difference, though. Only other thing is you can get a front LockRite into that clangy-changy mode if you yank the steering wheel just right at super low speeds. That happened to me about once a month in parking lots. No big deal, just noise.

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    Been running No Slips f&r now for 2 yrs or so and no problems without hubs

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    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by RandyTJ:
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    Rereading the original post... I would recommend the LockRite over the NoSlip.

    Someone on here recently posted about some NoSlip troubles. As in, it slipped!

    Being the NoSlip's big advantage over the LockRite is smoothness on the street I can't see any reason to go with a NoSlip in the front since it won't matter in 2wd.

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