YJ lift spring Poll

[Dan90YJ]

Okay heres the deal I know all the basics and have a 2.5" RE lift the is shot. it needs to be replaced but this time I am really going to do my homework.

So please help:

1) Year of YJ
2) Name of spring (RE,OME etc)
3) Height advertised
4) Actually height installed
5) Sagging factor after - month year 2 years etc
6) Price of lift
7) Other info you want to share (happy not happy love it etc)

Thanks for all your help. I need to decide what size springs to get and what company to go with. Thus far I have almost entirely ruled out RE but nothing is permanent.

Dan

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1990 YJ 2.5" Rubicon Express Lift; 2" PA body lift; 32x11.5x15 BFG AT's on 15x8" AR 767 rims; Dana 30/35c with 4.56:1 gears, w/tracloc; High lift jack; Light bar with 2 KC 100w; custom bumpers front and rear (self designed/made);Pioneer Premier sound; Besttop Trlmax Sprt Seat; full size spare.

Soon to come: Swing away tire carrier (to match custom bumper); skids; Herculiner

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[jeepik]

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[Dan90YJ]

Good answer Dmitry http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/wink.gif anyways btt

[BrackneyC]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dan90YJ:
[B]Okay heres the deal I know all the basics and have a 2.5" RE lift the is shot. it needs to be replaced but this time I am really going to do my homework.

So please help:

1) Year of YJ
2) Name of spring (RE,OME etc)
3) Height advertised
4) Actually height installed
5) Sagging factor after - month year 2 years etc
6) Price of lift
7) Other info you want to share (happy not happy love it etc)

1. 89
2. Pro-Comp
3. Advertised...4 inch.
4. Actual...4 1/2
5. Not one bit of sag thus far.
6. About 450.00 with shocks
7. Need better shocks. Ride is stiff, but most definitely bearable. I am replacing shocks. I like these springs because I have a winch and a YB tire carrier. The extra weight would sink some lifts. I get good flex on the trail (good for what I do anyway). Pro-Comp isn't for everyone, but it is one of the only lifts that consistantly provides the claimed amount of lift.

[87yj38]

87 YJ, Skyjacker 4",1.5 AAL, actual after 4 years is still just shy of 6", Cost was around $400 if memory serves, ride is a 7 on a 1-10 scale, would have went with nitros instead of hydros but otherwise I love it, still flexes a 762 on a 30 degree ramp.

[Doogie]

Pro Comp,
Don't remember how much I paid.
4" adv 4.5" given
Springs stiff as hell, Don't like them at all.

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98 5.9 Grand Cherokee
(No Sunroof, Sky Light...)

93 ZJ (Future wife's)
I6, Auto, NP249
Set of 5 15x8 Canyon cast wheels and full size spare.
Alpine sound system with ZJ Sound Bar, infinity speakers and JL stealth box.
K&N drop in, MSD spark plug wires, 3.73 Gears,
Tera Flex S3Z Installed 4.20.00-4.23.00, ARB Bull Bar
Installed 7.11.00

91YJ Project Jeep (Future son's)
I6, 5 Speed, NP231
4" suspension lift with 33x12.50 on 15x10 wheels, custom bumpers and full size tire rack with identical wheel and tire, KC Daylighters, CD player, sound bar, Hard Top and Hard Doors. Other mods to come
Working on my web site.

YJ & ZJ FOR SALE

[YJChrisOME]

1)1994
2)OME
3)2-1/2 to 3 inch
4)3 inches, should break in to about 2.5
(running 31's)
5)very new but these springs are the best and not built to sag.
6) Cost me 755$ cause i got crazy hooked-up, but the complete kit runs about 880$, thats the lowest ive seen anyway.
7) rides better than stock, good on flex, i recommend it if you have the means.
Chris

[Jimbob]

I was really in favor of RE till I heard yours and several other complaints, ok anything can fail and a lemon gets by even the most stringent manufacturers but RE has racked up long run complaints against quality, and customer support both negatives in my book. I would probably go with OME but that is alot of cash for something as simple as a leaf spring and in the end I will in all likelyhood end up going with something like BDS or have my local spring shop make me up a set to my specs (they did a set for my Stude that are working great).

[Scott44]

Dan

90 YJ
Superlift 3.5
600.00$
2.5" actual height

2nd set of springs From superlift They warramted, both have saged out. I off road maybe once per year. I have 33s and they rub. My next springs will be Currie or custom from Nation or Deaver sping in L.A.

[Dan90YJ]

Thanks. Its good(bad) to see that I'm not the only one who has had springs sag out.

Keep them coming. What is BDS? I know OME is suposed to be great but for that price it is kinda out of my league. What about rusty's anyone have that 3.5" kit?

Dan

[Brian S]

I have the BDS 3.5 Kit on my 94 YJ. Got about 4.5 inches of lift at first and am not sure about what i have know, i would say it is pretty darn close to 3.5 but i am putting new tires on monday and that should give me a little more. In order to protect myself against sagging i bought 4 front springs b/c of the fact that they are stronger than the back. I think i am done sagging, i have only hasd for a couple of months though.
Brian

I payed $440 for the kit and also got the BDS shocks which were like $25 a piece. Very happy with it and no one can touch their warranty!

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94 Sahara, 3.5 BDS lift, Radio Shack CB, Mopar sounddeck, new tires and rims on the way!!

[This message has been edited by Brian S (edited 07-07-2001).]

[WillYJ]

BTT.......

Anyone have Rusty's lift??

This is my kind of thread!

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'92 Sahara. 4.10s, Lock Right front, No-Slip rear, TJ flares, 2" Body lift, 1.25" shackle lift, homemade air tube w/K&N, 31" BFG A/Ts, Magnaflow cat-back, TC Oil Pan Skid, etc.
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[jhill]

94 YJ
4" Rubicon express
about 4.5"
Had it about a week.
I got the upgrade for OME shocks and drop pitman arm it cost about 800
I like it a lot its still stiff though.

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94 YJ 4"RE lift and 2" body. Fully locked 33X12.50 MTR's

[chrisbernhardt]

1) 92 YJ
2) pro comp
3) 2.5" advertised
4) 2.5" actual in front and about 2" actual in rear
5) had them for 2 or 3 months - they were used
6) cost me $50 - hence they were used
7) Jeepik, as he is known on this board, sold them too me. I bought Doestch Tech Shocks for $29 Bucks a pop and the ride is great compared to what it used to be. Most springs sag about .5 to 1 inch, so it really didn't matter that they were used. The Price Was Right. Can't beat $50 bucks.

Chris

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92 yj-31" mickey's (baja belted HP's), 1 1/4 shackles, 2.5" Pro Comp springs.
97 zj-it's got a nice rack, that's about it.
my web page (http://www.geocities.com/chrisbernhardt)

[Garrett]

1) '95 YJ
2) Pro Comp
3) 2.5" advertised
4) 3" after install
5) Curently run 2.5" after 1 year of use
6) I think it cost me around $500 with the Pro Comp ES9000 shocks
7) The ride is stiff and the springs don't flex as much as I'd like. You've got to keep everything greased and loose to smooth the ride out. I'm running a 2" body lift as well so I didn't need to install the kit bump stops (32x11.5 BFG MTs). The shocks suck. Within 3 months of install one rear shock leaked fluid and a front shock made a clunking sound. They replaced the front one under warranty but I ditched the rears in favor of some RS5000's. I'll probably swap out the fronts for some Doestch shocks soon.

[Dan90YJ]

Man it would seem that alot of YJ lifts sag out. For all of you who think you are done sagging it may not be so. My RE came in at like 3" + new but now (1 year) they are more like 1-1.5" total.

I also have heard some rumors that RE uses procomp springs for their basic kit, a reputable source later told me that is not so. It opens the topic to question.

What is BDS?

Dan

[TBone]

here my info...

94, YJ 6cyl
R.E. 4.5" extreme duty gives just under 5" in the rear and about 5.5" in the front. I have had it about 8 months now, it has settled about 1/2" since the install. The numbers above were taken the other day.

Good luck
Tom

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94 YJ, 4.0L, its just another lifted Jeep, who cares.

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[Jimbob]

It is a problem with leaf springs the way they are designed is prone to sag of course any wise manufacturer is wise to this as is the reason you see people with 2" kits claim 4 inches of lift. Dont get me wrong this is the way it is till they work in it is a leaf spring thing. I believe BDS is the only one to advertise a no sag (below advertised height) lifetime guarentee if I am right. They are the lead contestent for me unless I go with the above mentioned custom.

[Nemo]

1)95 YJ
2)RE
3)4.5" advertised
4)5.5" actual(still at this after 1 year)
5)$900

[DBlake95]

Ditto the previous post, I'm still sitting just a little under 6" even with the I-6 and a hardtop, I've had it on for about 3 months and I've wheeled it probably 10-15 times, it started out higher than that, combined with the 2" BL my 33's look more like 30's. I like the RE lift a lot more than my previos lift, (Rusty's) I had it on for about 2 months, in which time it sagged from the advertised 3.5" down to a little over 2".

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95 YJ
4" RE XD Springs
2" PA Body Lift
OME Shocks
33x12.50 BFG MT
Lot's of other "Stuff"

[jeepik]

94 YJ 4 banger

superlift 3.5" springs...3.5"lift no sagging(my second set though, first set sagged ..gotta love superlift's warranty as i still have both sets of springs http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/images/ubb/biggrin.gif)

[JeepFiend420]

BDS = Big Dick Suspension

From what I understand, the name got them in some trouble, so they now only market as BDS.

And as far as their warranty, I don't remember the exact words, but it's something to the effect of: If you buy a part from us, and it breaks; We'll replace it for free. PERIOD.

Anyway, here's my info.

'93 YJ
RE 4.5" Extreme Duty
JKS 1.25" BL
I don't know what the stock height was, but it grew. And the only sag I've noticed is when I threw on an aftermarked bumper/tire carrier and a winch.

Personally, I've had great luck with RE stuff.

Peace out

Michael

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'93 YJ Wrangler 4.0L, 5 spd, D30/D35c, EZ-Locker/No-Slip, 4x4 Posi-Lok, 4.10 gears, 4.5" Rubicon Express Extreme Duty Lift, JKS 1.25" BL, 35" ProComp A/T, JB Conversion w/ Rubicon Express DS, Borla Header, ARB Safari Snorkel, Warn HS9500i, Skid Row Skid, OYR Rocker Panels

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[Jimbob]

That is one reason BDS is coming to the top of my list reported good service (RE has not gotten high marks), it is cheaper, full mil wrap, and the no sag below advertised height guarentee. Only ticker is they are supposed to rub the frame and hitches with stock length shackles so you may need to add a mild shackle lift (.5 to 1") to the package. Most people report them as being stiff initially but wearing down to about the same or better than stock which makes sense with a leaf spring if you build them soft right out of the box you are going to get a saggy spring if you build them stiff with 10k wear they will settle into a nice equilibrium.

Goodluck!

[Dan90YJ]

Sweet stuff.. Anyone got a link to BDS?

Not so sure I completely understand the military vs non mil wrap but I like the warrenty.

Dan

[Dupp]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Dan90YJ:
1) Year of YJ
2) Name of spring (RE,OME etc)
3) Height advertised
4) Actually height installed
5) Sagging factor after - month year 2 years etc
6) Price of lift
7) Other info you want to share (happy not happy love it etc)
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1) 1993
2) RE 4.5" XD
3) 4.5"
4) 6" All around
5) No sag yet...couple months...
6) about 800 i think...
7) i like it...struggling trying to get flex though...

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[indurain]

I've got the BDS 3.5" and as JimBob mentioned the rear does rub a bit. I'm in the process of fabricating some new rear shackles to take care of my 3/4' lowrider problem.

I've had the suspension fairly torqued and twisted and never had any problems otherwise.

The reason I went with BDS is a friend of mine had one on his YJ; totaled the YJ, called BDS and they replaced the broken parts. He then bought another YJ and slapped the new set on.

What a warranty!

[Vader]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dan90YJ:
Sweet stuff.. Anyone got a link to BDS?

Not so sure I completely understand the military vs non mil wrap but I like the warrenty.

Dan</font>

If the second leaf of the spring pack wraps all the way around the eye of the main leaf, it is called a full military wrap. This way you are protected from breaking your spring off of the shackle or the frame mount.

[Dan90YJ]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Vader:
If the second leaf of the spring pack wraps all the way around the eye of the main leaf, it is called a full military wrap. This way you are protected from breaking your spring off of the shackle or the frame mount.</font>

Thats kinda what I thought. Thanks. what are the down sides to this? Flex?

Still looking for a link to a BDS site if anyone has one.

Dan

[linuxrick]

http://www.bds-suspension.com


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1987 YJ 6 cyl, auto, A/C, BONE STOCK for now :)

1993 XJ, Rustys 3" Lift, Rustys Towhooks, 31" BFG M/T's, JKS Quick Disco's, Tomken Rec/shackle mnt, KargoMaster RoofRack, Rustys Airtube/K&N Filter, Uniden CB w/cutom console
http://www.jeepxj.rockcrawler.com

[David Parrett]

1. 1994 YJ

(Previous lift)
2. BDS, Black Diamond XT Shocks
3. 2" advertised
4. 3" gained
5. Springs only sagged to 2" in 2 years
6. $580 including shocks
7. The lift flexed incredibly well, but the military wrap eventually caused some binding. I went with the new lift for more height.


(Current lift)
2. Rusty's
3. 3.5" advertised
4. 4.5" gained
5. Springs have sagged to 4" in 5 months
6. $450 including shocks
7. So far, so good. With the softer shocks, it rides better than my previous lift. Flexes well and the cost is hard to beat. The only disappointment was with getting the lift delivered complete and in a timely manner.

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David Parrett
1994 YJ, 2.5l, rear TrueTrac, 3.5" Rusty's lift, Tomken and TC skids, 31" BFG ATs, 4+ Disconnects, Optima battery, KN filter, Posi-lock...

[cbwymore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dan90YJ:

1) Year of YJ
2) Name of spring (RE,OME etc)
3) Height advertised
4) Actually height installed
5) Sagging factor after - month year 2 years etc
6) Price of lift
7) Other info you want to share (happy not happy love it etc)
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1) 95 2.5L
2) ProComp
3) 4"
4) Not sure
5) Sagging? some but not sure. I have a 2" body lift I have plenty clearance for my 33's.
6) $150.00 with ES3000's, used
7) Stiff! I lift tires on every thing even with no track bars and no sway bar



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95 YJ- Pine tree air freshener
00 XJ- Vanilla air freshener

[AlexYJ]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dan90YJ:

1) Year of YJ
2) Name of spring (RE,OME etc)
3) Height advertised
4) Actually height installed
5) Sagging factor after - month year 2 years etc
6) Price of lift
7) Other info you want to share (happy not happy love it etc)
</font>

1994 YJ
BDS AAL
2"
2.5"
Only 2 weeks - no sag
$120 for lift plus shocks & new u-bolts ~$330

[Dan90YJ]

Maybe I could take and add a leaf to my sagged springs. Think that would help. It seems affordable?

Dan

[Jimbob]

Add a leaf would definetly give you your height back but will make your ride stiffer and should last a little while. Just remember your U bolts are getting lower and lower under the axle not that much of an issue but it is something more to potentially scrape if you are really rock'in it.

As to that full military wrap thing it is just a little added insurance to me especially considering I manuever alot on my own prospecting, rockhounding, fishing etc so every inch of backup I can add is good. Though the chances of that failure are relatively low. There are about 3 different configurations going around with the 2nd leaf in the pack 1. Stock like 2nd leaf ends well before the spring eye leaving a lot of spring to break or bend. 2. 2nd leaf extends out to the spring eye or slightly around providing no spring eye break protection but reinforcing the weak spot in the spring I believe this is what OME is doing despite what there flyer says about full military wrap (nixed for rubbing?). 3. Then full military wrap giving you reinforcement along the whole length of the primary leaf which is taking the brunt of the stress and reinforcing the spring eye. I dont have to much experience with this type of spring but would think it would make it stiffer but most people claim BDS to be extremely flexy when worked out.

[jeepbrew]

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Originally posted by Dan90YJ:

1) Year of YJ
2) Name of spring (RE,OME etc)
3) Height advertised
4) Actually height installed
5) Sagging factor after - month year 2 years etc
6) Price of lift
7) Other info you want to share (happy not happy love it etc)

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1. 1995 YJ
2. Rustys
3. 3.5"
4. 4.5"
5. Sagged to about 3.5-4"s after 6 months of abuse.
6. $378....got a group buy discount
7. Love the lift. Flexes well and rides very soft. http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/images/ubb/biggrin.gif Can't beat it for the price. http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[Dan90YJ]

Sagging springs.. hey this seems to be a hot topic. Lets keep it at top.

Who knows more about the Military wrap?

Anyone have used springs for sale??

Dan

[WillYJ]

1) Military wrap is a good thing, from a strength standpoint. BDS recommends longer shackles to compensate for that and to prevent binding.

2) Jeepik...what do you want for the saggy Superlift springs. If they sagged evenly.....I don't mind that they have sagged. I only need about 2-2.5" of lift anyway. I only need to clear 33s.

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'92 Sahara. 4.10s, Lock Right front, No-Slip rear, TJ flares, 2" Body lift, 1.25" shackle lift, homemade air tube w/K&N, 31" BFG A/Ts, Magnaflow cat-back, TC Oil Pan Skid, etc.
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[Rock Berry]

'91 with 1.5" Rubicon Express add-a-leaf and SOA. Love the SOA travel and ride but wish I would have went with the RE 1.5" complete springs designed for SOA - I've seen them on other jeeps and they seen to work better than what I have. I also did the shackle reversal and cranked the caster up for improved road manners. Drives great! Total investment was about $750 to get it all to work correctly.

[Mikes95YJ]

1) 1995
2) Trailmaster
3) 3" advertised
4) The same
5) Not noticeable after like 1.5 years
6) 798.00 US
7) Not the most flex in the world and took several months to ware in. She rides pretty smooth right now and I have noticed no sag at all. I would go with it again if I had to do it again.

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1995 Rio Grande 2.5L I4
Trailmaster 3" lift kit
1" Conferr shackle lift
1" Body Lift
JKS Disco's
31" BFG AT/KO's on 15x10 black Rock Crawlers, covered by Bestop fender flares, protected by Olympic Reverse-a-Bar's,
Centerforce Dual Friction clutch
Borla Header and Cat-back
Random Tech Cat
Lock right locker
K & N airfilter
Warn XD9000i winch

[got4lo]

Hey Dan http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/smile.gif

1) 1993
2) OME
3) 2" - 2.5"
4) 3" should settle to about 2.5"
5) I sold my YJ so I can't vouch for it but they are designed to resist sagging
6) Cost was $880
7) Awesome ride for a YJ (almost as good as a stock TJ) worth every penny!!! The springs flex like you wouldn't believe. If you don't have the means now save and buy the right kit the first time! It absolutely shines on bumpy roads. I used to love to have to drive in downtown Houston's pothole riddled and lowest bidder surfaced asphalt fields!



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GOT4LO?

JolyonF
'01 TJ 4.0L, 5-speed, D44, ARB Bull Bar, 1.75" spacers, JKS GenII discos, 32x11.50 BFG MT.
'99 WJ Limited 4.7L V8, QuadraDrive, UpCountry, loaded!

[Dan90YJ]

thanks I am looking into a OME second hand 2.5" kit as we speak. It seems to be the talk of the town.

BTW those speaker boxes I bought from you are great. My Polk Audio dx9's are perfect in them.

Dan

[Dan90YJ]

Okay any other OME guys out there. I am looking for more of a long term thing. I am looking at buying some Second hand but never installed OME 2.5" Springs.

I may also go Shakle reversal at the same time.

But I think i am goin to start a new thread for those.

Tahnks all for the help .

Dan

[Jimbob]

Just remember OME arnt military wrap though they do partially wrap ask Charly how much he is the only person that I can think of off hand that has a OME YJ lift. Oh yes and DNA but havent seen him about much of late. I am still tossing around the shackle reversal mayself I may do it on my studebaker truck (home fabbed) first since I am setting it up for PS anyways (taking a loooooong time I know) but remember you will need a new front drive shaft.

[This message has been edited by Jimbob (edited 07-12-2001).]