2007 Wrangler Revealed!

[aerojt]

Ok Im not sure where to put this, I thought somebody would have it up by now, but here are some of the first pictures I've seen of the 2007 Wrangler, and its a rubicon too!! Looks like the old headlights are gone, V6 is standard in all, rubion has 32" tires, Dana 44's, 3 skids on the rubicon, removable fenders!!, power windows, the list goes on, its a huge change! Ok well here they are-

http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10054/Jeep1.jpg

http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10054/Jeep2.jpg

http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10054/Jeep3.jpg

[JohnDF]

Not as bad as I thought it would be. It will take some time to grow on me though. Esp. that grill and those front fenders...

[Wind_Danzer]

Not sure if I dig the Libby like grill but will reserve most comments till I see the first one in person. It might look a bit different up close and personal.

And I'm hoping those are rear control arms I'm seeing in the pics too.

[stjjames]

Wow!!! How did MPH get ahold of this before we did ? :tirehead:
I . . . think I like it ? Love the Interior. Goodbye to the 4 banger :wavzing:
Hello four door :winky: Kick ass removable flares . . . Wow . . . Sweet turn signals, I feel so yesterday . . . :pablo:

[blupupher]

Not sure if I dig the Libby like grill but will reserve most comments till I see the first one in person. It might look a bit different up close and personal.

And I'm hoping those are rear control arms I'm seeing in the pics too.

What else would they be since it is SRA/SFA?

[stjjames]

Old Model, Now Total Crap :eatem:

[under_psi]

sure will make flat fendering easier....

[fortz]

look it even has a decent arm rest.

[PineBarrensJeepster]

No more MTRS either. BFGs now.

[silvrjeepr]

Much nicer than I thought it would be. Still not sure if I like it yet though. Maybe once I see it in person...

[daniel m]

i want one :tirehead:

[RockIndustries]

i just don't know about that V6. The whole body is just way too concept for me. :blowboy: Sorry guys.

[fiddyKJ]

I like it - I want to see what the four door looks like though.

[stjjames]

Where did you get this mag from ? Its not on the newsstands & I have this months copy ? :teary:

[Scott00TJ]

Not bad. I like the interior, except for the the steering wheel. 32s on a stock Jeep is pretty cool. I too am unsure about the V6. I love my I6. The modular hard top is pretty cool idea.

[BiG_BooGeR]

I like the taillights, flares, tires,

I don't like the PT Crusier steering wheel, the ugly center controls on the dash, shifter boot, rental car look, front flares

[RockIndustries]

you also like Electric Lime Green! :jump: just messing with ya! Where in fla. you from from? I'm originally from Miami. NO wheeling down there.

[Jonny]

i guess i would have to see it in person to know if i truely dont like it :hungover:

[aerojt]

Yah I think it will be at Detroit, so maybe we can see it there.

I like that hardtop a lot, don't like the V6-you know they are going with the entire liberty/chrysler drivetrain now, no more old AMC leftovers. The doors and gaps look very tight too, seems to be a neat jeep. I am wondering what is coming aftermarket for it, I like the exhaust tip too, thats pretty neat looking. Anybody think the wheels will fit a Yj/TJ/Cherokee bolt pattern?? :mega:

[Oman Jeep]

Nothing on the DCX media site... I'm guessing this is either artists impression or a pretty serious leak?

Either way based on the spy shots so far, it certainly looks how I would imagine it to look...

the C-pillars are a bit large but other than that not bad... the rear fenders look a little funny and the door outline will take some getting used to though...

The interior is not appealing to me that much though... it looks like a generic chrysler interior stretched and squashed to be more vertical... the glovebox looks pathetically small too... and something about the vents being below the stereo doesn't feel right, but will be nice if the factory navigation option becomes more popular.

Will have to see the interior in black before deciding...

It's not bad... I'm happy to see solid axles are still there... overall I like it but there's nothing that makes me want to trade the TJ in for it. I think the 4-door with a Hemi would make a nice bigger SUV though!

[aerojt]

MPH Magazine is usually very good, and I have yet to see an artist rendition of anything by them. Anybody notice the little speakers on top of the dashboard?? Kinda cool, can't wait for detroit....

[Beast40]

If that is the new wrangler, I think they did a solid job! Might even pick one up when they hit showroom floors.

[Don-A-Vee]

Finally will get the newer stereo system. Looks like they have actual control arms instead of those stamped steel ones.

[Oman Jeep]

Don't like the position of the AC vents though... I like them up high and blowing into my face / chest.

I could live with them down there if there's a kickass sat-nav system available though... something that fills the full width there, not just the stereo size.

[aerojt]

Im gonna try to get a better scan of the 2 page picture, it kinda cuts off on the split I made. Gimme a minute.......

[Don-A-Vee]

THe vents are like those in the Commander. You can spin them around and point them wherever.

I am pretty sure they will have the REC nav system that is in the most of the newer models. Includes in dash 6 disc changer.

[MTURubi]

Here is the 4 door version. Doesn't look like the rears are removable, but I am not quite sure how I feel about it. Love the 2 door, but I am happy with my TJ.

http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0030

[aerojt]

Ok here is a better full view of the 2 door, I also included the magazine cover in case you guys are gonna pick one up, I just got this in the mail today though, so who knows when it'll be on shelves, that 4 door spy shot is neat too..ENJOY!

http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10054/Full%20Jeep.jpg

http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10054/Cover.jpg

[4Hi]

Now that MPH has given a sneak peek at the ’07 Wrangler, we'd like to give you the full boat.

At 12:01 a.m. Monday, January 9 (late Sunday night), the moment the media embargo is lifted, J Rations will publish an in-depth first look at the 2007 Wrangler. We'll have all the photos, specifications and more on this newest incarnation of the Jeep Wrangler. So, mark your calendars to join us in the J Web on January 9:

http://jweb.jrations.com/landing_web.php

Hope we see you there!

[ChromeTJ]

i wonder how removable the fender flares actually are? as in ease of removal?

looks a lot like the AEV concept wrangler with those raised flares, and smaller hood sides

[gprguy]

Phew. Sure am glad I got my '05.

[Jbirdman13]

I dunno but to me it looks like a mini H3 from the back!!!!! And I'm not to big of a fan of the Hummer line. At least its still solid axle and it's go 200 horses. Im guessing coil sprung still??? Anyone got drivetrain specs besides engine and axles?

I also like what they did with the turn signals. Went back to the old CJ still in the grill.

[tjworld]

I have been waiting to take a look at this 07 wrangler. I have a 97 so I thought maybe I should start a trend of buying a new Jeep every 10 years. However, I don't know if I like it. The hard top and the front flares are the biggest turn off aesthetically. The interior isn't too bad. I like the dash layout and the Jeep nav unit (like the new grand) would look great in there. The v-6 I can take or leave it doesn't really bother me. Better fuel economy would be nice.
Over all I would say the jury is still out until I see it in person and drive one. Lets just say I will be keeping my money in my pocket for now.

[salesguy]

LOVE IT !

Logical evolution of TJ styling, fantastic interior. Love the old-style steering wheel.

Good news for us ( in Aus ) we get the next generation VM 2.8 CRD from launch, with the six speed manual or 545RFE five speed auto.

I really hope that Jeep Aus will have the fortitude to finally bring the Rubicon here. Imagine that, a Rubicon CRD !!! Mmmmmm......noice......

[kanga]

I'd like to see one in person. Can't really get the flavor until you've seen and driven. Lots of changes. Whats next ? Hybrid?

[Jason, aka: Jeepin.com]

Nothing on the DCX media site... I'm guessing this is either artists impression or a pretty serious leak?

DCX has a media embargo going on the '07 Wrangler details until 12:01am Monday morning on the 9th (I'm assumign 12:01am eastern standard time), so unless they decide to let the details out sooner due to this HUGE leak of pics and info, don't expect to find anything on their media site until the 9th (I've still been checking it myself everyday though!).

The pics are real, though the scenery may be chopped in (no surprise, Chryco has been doing that for many years now).

Looks identical to the Gladiator concept truck inside and out.

[Dan-H]

looks like a hummer 4

[FedEx250F]

Thanks for the head's up! I have mixed emotions . . . . :rant:

[JMUJeep]

i want to drive one a lot!!! i can't wait to see more/better pictures and more information on it....countdown til the 9th begins

[Oman Jeep]

(no surprise, Chryco has been doing that for many years now).

Yeah... I hate that they do that... it's pathetic and feels really cheap.

If the vehicle is capable of getting to scenic locations then why do they have to fake it?

I know they get better studio lighting of the vehicle and it probably makes a clear shot easier, but some of the photoshops are so bad it's a complete waste of time.

[XJay96]

can somone post the link to the DCX media site, I had it a while back and forgot to backup my links when I formatted my PC.

[arjeeper]

I must say I am torn on the design. I suppose it does look like the next Wrangler. We must get in one to really get in one to know. Solid axles, slightly longer wheelbase. sounds like perhaps Chrysler decided to as least not "give up" on at least one vehicle in the Jeep lineup. V6.. hmm. not sure about the V6.. :naw: now V8.. :agree:

Edit: my first attempt wasn't literate..

[Jason, aka: Jeepin.com]

If the vehicle is capable of getting to scenic locations then why do they have to fake it?

So they don't have to spend money and risk vehicles to go out to all these scenic and exotic locales every time they make a change to the trim or colors. Much easier and cheaper to simply reuse the existing stock photography and change a mountain here, a bumper and wheels there...

I agree with you though, considering Jeep is supposed to be the offroad leader, it'd be nice to have REAL photos of them in the wild, not photoshop creations.

[under_psi]

i personally cant wait for all the "Will the '07 top fit my 1998" threads......

[Oman Jeep]

can somone post the link to the DCX media site, I had it a while back and forgot to backup my links when I formatted my PC.


http://media.daimlerchrysler.com

[Oman Jeep]

So they don't have to spend money and risk vehicles to go out to all these scenic and exotic locales every time they make a change to the trim or colors. Much easier and cheaper to simply reuse the existing stock photography and change a mountain here, a bumper and wheels there...

I agree with you though, considering Jeep is supposed to be the offroad leader, it'd be nice to have REAL photos of them in the wild, not photoshop creations.


True... for all the different trim models it would be a bit of a hassle... but for a NEW vehicle they could justify doing a proper photo-shoot. They don't have to take it somewhere hardcore, just scenic...

I guess the real concern is being seen by someone with a camera before release... but after the official release I think they should use real photos rather than fake.

Our local Jeep dealer has mainly used photoshopped pictures in advertisements... basically just DC stock photos... but the Volkswagen dealer has an advert with a Touareg on Omani plates going through dunes that I recognise as local ones... I just think it's wrong that Jeep's promo material is done in the studio while other companies actually have them off road. I don't know what other companies do in the US though...

[Oman Jeep]

i personally cant wait for all the "Will the '07 top fit my 1998" threads......
I want to see the aftermarket do something similar to the Mountainbiker top for the TJ... but then DC has probably patented that concept forcing people to get the new Wrangler if they want that feature...

[method84]

keeping my TJ till the day I die :jason: :nerd: :burnzout: Its not as bad as I thought it would be. Will take some growing time but that goes for everything

[wvjeep]

So far I am pleasantly surprised! (...buy one of the last 06's or get an '07? ;) )

[Greg_Volkman]

Can you post up the pics of tera patrick?

J/K. On a side note - I wish DC had the FORETHOUGHT to get more than just an extra 5 HP out of the new engine. They could have bumped it up to something more significant...that dissapoints. the plastic front fenders are growing on me. I am trying to imagine it with hard core mods.

http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10054/Cover.jpg

[zman]

THe vents are like those in the Commander. You can spin them around and point them wherever.

I have vents like that in my 2004 F150. I can't tell you how much I love them. You can actually control the direction you want the air to move to. Great concept in HVAC, can't belive it took the 21st century to get there.

zman

[Slidebone]

Do I spy the return of a shifter style transfer case selector?

[aerojt]

I noticed the T-Case Shifter being old school too, like my YJ. I'm glad they didn't go to a push button or automatically on system. I still like that about Wranglers, you can turn the 4wd off when its 95 degrees out and sunny. This thread is getting huge! I can't believe nobody else got this magazine in the mail, and nobody else has put em on the net. Oh well I guess, bunch of guys got in trouble posting new pics of the 2006 Z06 on another forum by GM, hopefully DC doesn't come knocking on my door........

[NJ5.9ZJ]

Power windows and doors. I assume they mean door locks. That is a feature I could live with. I can't reach over to the passenger door to unlock it unless I'm in the vehicle and my wife thinks I'm just being rude. :wifey: I usually end up opening her door first from the outside and then she thinks I'm being a gentleman... and I don't want that either. :latchon:


:hah:

[wrangler88]

where the heck are u gonna put a winch on the front of that thing, there doesnt seem to be much after the grill? oh well this is GOING to take a few months to get used too... :maduce:

[letsroll]

3.8 from the Pacifica? Anyone drive one of those? It had been said prior that the 3.7 from the Liberty would be in it. I like my 3.7 in my Lib, it just all around out performs my TJs straight 6. But I have not heard anything on that 3.8.

[TheRedlines]

I wonder what it weighs in at? I didn't think I would be but I am pretty impressed with what I see so far. It's gonna be a huge hit.

[Bob Porter]

I like some things, some I don't. It will all depend on how I like it when I'm at the wheel. That grill and the rear of the top are going to have to grow on me though.

[blupupher]

3.8 from the Pacifica? Anyone drive one of those? It had been said prior that the 3.7 from the Liberty would be in it. I like my 3.7 in my Lib, it just all around out performs my TJs straight 6. But I have not hear anything on that 3.8.
Well, according to Chryslers site, the Pacifica has a "3.5-liter multipoint fuel-injected 24-valve V6 engine makes 250 hp at 6,400 RPM with 250 of torque at 4,000 RPM". Not a 3.8.
The Grand Caravan/Town and Country has a 3.8L V-6, 215 hp @ 5,000 RPM and 245 of torque @ 4,000 RPM with OHV and sequential multi-point fuel injection.
So I am not sure what motor it is from.

edit:
Well, searching the Chrysler site, the Town and Country's 3.8L V-6 is 205hp and 240 of torque, but is still a OHV engine, not a pushrod like tha article states.

[JMUJeep]

anyone notice the roll cage looks exactly the same as the TJs? I'm interested in seeing/driving the new engine, i'm assuming it will get better MPG...considering they put in a v6 you think they might put in the liberty diesel? i keep staring at the pictures waiting for something to jump out a me. The seats look pretty flat, hope that they have some side support

[JMUJeep]

here's another link with a short write up..you guys see 4 bucket seats? or at least a higher back seat with a headrest?

http://www.allpar.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=549

[Jay W.]

I like it..sorta kinda..

Most re-designs of vehicles I've been through, they've had to grow on me. I think the TK Wrangler will be the same. The interior is different..I'm suprised they reduced glove box size to add larger speakers..and the AC vents are a little strange looking. I like the BFGs..and really like that they did away with the 4 banger (maybe they did the same with the D35).

I want to drive one..just to see how it feels.

[Bob Porter]

Well, according to Chryslers site, the Pacifica has a "3.5-liter multipoint fuel-injected 24-valve V6 engine makes 250 hp at 6,400 RPM with 250 of torque at 4,000 RPM". Not a 3.8.
The Grand Caravan/Town and Country has a 3.8L V-6, 215 hp @ 5,000 RPM and 245 of torque @ 4,000 RPM with OHV and sequential multi-point fuel injection.
So I am not sure what motor it is from.

edit:
Well, searching the Chrysler site, the Town and Country's 3.8L V-6 is 205hp and 240 of torque, but is still a OHV engine, not a pushrod like tha article states.
Actually most pushrod engines are OHV, except for the old flathead designs. And I am fairly certain that no-one is going to go back to using a flathead today. I beleive I read here at one time or another that they were going to play with the bore and stroke of the minivan motor to make it produce more torque at a lower RPM. Which would mean that although this engine shares much with other DCX motors it is also unique.

[bored]

Base Pacificas get the 3.8L.

[Don-A-Vee]

Base Pacificas got the 3.8L for 2005 only.

From what I had been told a while back, they were going to mess around wiht the 3.7L out of the Liberty, but why only go up to a 3.8L? Maybe to change the torque curve?

I don't think the 3.8L out of the minivan lineup would be an engine of choice. That has been around now for quite a while and ther are many rumors that they are going to do away with it.

I will do some asking about it from our product reps.

[Allen]

I really like it.

The biggest issue I see so far is the rocker panel/door opening.

Hardcore guys will have a tough time keeping that out of the rocks and providing adequate protection.

Allen

[TigerShark]

I don't know if I like the plastic bumpers. Looks kind of cheap.

[ccsp]

I love it! Cant wait for the 4 door!!

[KoolBreeze]

here's another link with a short write up..you guys see 4 bucket seats? or at least a higher back seat with a headrest?

http://www.allpar.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=549


this only makes sense actually. it's for passenger safety purposes and I'm VERY surprised Jeep has pullled off the "low back" rear seat as long as it has. no... Jeeps aren't a volvo, but still there are certain safety concerns taken for granted now-a-days and the whip-lash rear seat doesn't fit into this day and age of automotive manufacturing.

[KoolBreeze]

so far I like what I see and read.

electical front discos for the anti-sway bar, sra, sfa, nice interior (hopefully just a bit more weather resitant. no... I can't expect "waterproof", but a bit more weather resitance would be nice. AND HOPEFULLY THEY RESOLVED THE CLOCKSPRING ISSUES)

along the "hopefull" line of thinking...

hopefully the skid plates are far more worthy.

hopefully the transfer case crossmember isn't a low hanging shovel.


It would've been nice to have 225hp in the engine, we'll see as time folds out.

especially since I don't run out and buy any vehicle in it's first year anyway.


haha.


oops, continuing on with things I like...


new fenders... *removable too

wider stance... (longer wb also. push those tires out to the far corners!!!)

interior... (already mentioned.)

convertible... (thank the jeep gods for continuing the tradition. that's the only thing keeping me buying them. seriouslly!!! cause how many other swb convertible 4x4's are there?)

maybe the hard top... we'll see how well it seals and maintains itself

remote elelectric anti-sway bar discos (already mentioned)

electric widows and locks. (about time)

more aerodynamic while maintaining a traditional style. (wheew. I was worried about that. looks like they pulled it off well)

high back rear seats. (also about time)

hmmm.. wat else?

navigation system...

uh, yea... sure the list will continue. (least I hope it does. might encourage me buying one at some point.)

[Last XJ]

I will miss the old inline 6, an engine that goes all the way back to the early '60's.

Joe

[KoolBreeze]

the one serious drawback "to me" in this evolution is the death of the Unlimited or 2 door LWB convertible 4x4.



doubtfull the 4dr is going to be a convertible, and I really don't want a soccer mom 4 door to begin with. no offense to anyone, but as I wrote previously, the selling point all along "for me" has been 2dr convertible 4x4.

1. how many convertible 4x4's are there?

2. how many 4 door 4x4's are there?


yea yea.. everybody wants the solid axles.. and also wants a soccer mom hard top 4x4. that IS WHAT SELLS. I know this.. and understand this... I just don't appreciate this.

when Jeep stretched the wheelbase and introduced the Unimited I was amazed. what a bold move!!! truly unique as there isn't anything else similar out there. the yukon (2dr), bronco, scout II, etc... dead. gone. history. nada. RIP. the Unlimited? goodbye, it was nice while it lasted.














IB11tybillionpostsonwantingtehhardcoresolidaxlesoc cermom4drwrangler

[KoolBreeze]

Ok Im not sure where to put this, I thought somebody would have it up by now, but here are some of the first pictures I've seen of the 2007 Wrangler, and its a rubicon too!! Looks like the old headlights are gone, V6 is standard in all, rubion has 32" tires, Dana 44's, 3 skids on the rubicon, removable fenders!!, power windows, the list goes on, its a huge change! Ok well here they are-



gone? wat leads you to this?





and btw, your penquin is wrong... I'm using http://promote.opera.com/buttons/official/120x60/png-8/120x60securegrey.png (http://www.opera.com)

[JDN]

I like everything I saw and read in the first post EXCEPT the fog lights in the front bumper and the V-6 engine.
a. Foglights--this is gonna make replacement bumpers really expensive and how long are those fog lights gonna last offroading?
b. Engine--I'd like to see the HP and TORQUE numbers equated to the 4.0L with the respective RPM's. I bet it takes 3-4,000 RPMS for the V-6 to come NEAR the 4.0L at 2,000 RPMS. john

[lynn]

...b. Engine--I'd like to see the HP and TORQUE numbers equated to the 4.0L with the respective RPM's. I bet it takes 3-4,000 RPMS for the V-6 to come NEAR the 4.0L at 2,000 RPMS. john

Same thing I was thinking John... I guess we'll find out Monday morning.

[guffey24]

I think it sucks, basically they should call it a convertible Liberty

[JayPaulThompson]

I am of mixed emotions on this... Will this V6 engine hold up as well as the I6? I know we get bad bad bad mpg, but I'll take that for an engine that with normal fluid changes will last 200k+ miles. I will take some growing. I didn't like the YJ's at first, and I didn't like the TJ's at first either... so maybe it will grow on me.

[butch6924]

I like it. Can't wait to start yanking all that plastic crap off of it and see what's really under the skin.

[62 cj5]

About time we got back to our roots and used a real (V6) engine. :D

I like it. Still instantly recognizable as a Jeep. No questioning that.

[rsm688]

electronic quick disconnects? :shreekz: weird

[boonejeepin]

electronic quick disconnects? :shreekz: weird

the dodge power wagon is already using elect. discos

[XJay96]

Anyone have the link to DCX TV media site? I had that one a while back but I cant seem to find it.

[Oman Jeep]

I don't like the "old model now total crap" comment though... I mean the new one has... 1" bigger tires on the Rubicon... a fancy hard top...

It's not HUGELY different and that's a good thing. The 4 door V8 appeals to me though...

[pcoplin]

I think it's pretty sexy...

[Brad Kilby]

I've seen the 2DR model in person and there is a lot of cool stuff and a lot of not so cool stuff on this rig. One of the not-so-cool things is that the roll bar or "Sport Bar" is welded in place. Yup, it's an integral part of the structure. Good look replacing it. :D

The frame is beefy. Kinda looks like a Durango frame.
The gas tank runs F/R along the passenger side, inside the frame rail.
Those front fenders are huge. Aftermarket flare companies will probably start offering smaller flares, not wider. :D

[Weequay]

Just wait until you guys see pictures of the 4-door with the top off and half-doors. It's amazingly beautiful.

I just hope they come out at the same time as the 2-door.

-Mark

[XJay96]

I've seen both the 2DR and 4DR models in person and there is a lot of cool stuff and a lot of not so cool stuff on these rigs. One of the not-so-cool things is that the roll bar or "Sport Bar" is welded in place. Yup, it's an integral part of the structure. Good look replacing it. :D




I dont see a problem, if your any good at fabbing (not a personal attact to you), you would be able to hack it off and grind it flush, and build your own.

Keep in mind the Version you saw was most likely a preproduction model. So a welded in roll bar may not be in the production model. Who knows what time will tell.

[aerojt]

gone? wat leads you to this?





and btw, your penquin is wrong... I'm using http://promote.opera.com/buttons/official/120x60/png-8/120x60securegrey.png (http://www.opera.com)



I meant tail lights, my mistake-sorry, the penguin isn't really my biggest priority, just put it in for fun, glad you fooled it.

[aerojt]

I just noticed it looks like it has some sort of factory rocker guard, looks pretty beefy, and also check out how the hardtop meets the windshield, kinda different, it doesn't overlap, just matches right up. Wonder how the wind/road noise sounds on this one with hard and soft tops....that'll be amazing right there if thats kept to a minimum.

[kre8tivity]

Just wait until you guys see pictures of the 4-door with the top off and half-doors. It's amazingly beautiful.

I just hope they come out at the same time as the 2-door.

-Mark


Care to share the pics?

kre8tivity @ hotmail

[Brad Kilby]

Yeah, I accidently had a tape handy. :D Can't comment on the photo's though. ;)

I think OBA will fit with a little massaging of one of the AC lines. Don't know for sure until I get one in the shop. A LA kit might be possible if they kept the upper CA on the outside of the frame rail. I think that's where it attached. An exhaust skid is in the plans too.



So can you fit a onboard air system in it? Did you have your tape measure out? I guess you can make an exhaust skid plate for that huge exhaust. I hear that the gas tank will be in the way of a long arm conversion? Come on didn't you get on your belly and snap a few photos? Heck you could have acted like you were calling your wife.

[aerojt]

Amazing-the thing hasn't even broke cover and the aftermarket guys are already working things up, so cool. Sucks to be 4wd Hardware or Quadratec, they're gonna have to add a whole new year range to all the products if they companies offer it.

[ieatchickens]

Does this make my TJ "old school"?

[brokenujoint]

lol .. i have a 97 and every yr i was happy that they didnt change the tj.. now i feel like a yj owner in late 96. oh well, sooner or later. doesnt mean that our 97-06 tj's are crap or anything of the sort. just a new building block for the people fortunate enough to get a new one. its the way jeeping is. they evolve and you put a dung load of money into your rigs. there are people who HAVE to have the newest model of whatever anything is, i like my tj the way it is and i dont really care.... if i could, sure i'd go for the newer one why not!?, but my rig is paid off and the money that i save from a payment i can spend on my jeep for my jeep, not the finance company. every month that could be a locker, or a top, or a swing out, or a skidplate.. whatever....

[Weequay]

Care to share the pics?

kre8tivity @ hotmail

Sorry no. I could get fired.

Hopefully we will all see it in a few days here. It's worth the wait

-Mark

[Border Dave]

so far I like what I see and read.

electical front discos for the anti-sway bar, sra, sfa, nice interior (hopefully just a bit more weather resitant. no... I can't expect "waterproof", but a bit more weather resitance would be nice. AND HOPEFULLY THEY RESOLVED THE CLOCKSPRING ISSUES)

along the "hopefull" line of thinking...

hopefully the skid plates are far more worthy.

hopefully the transfer case crossmember isn't a low hanging shovel.


It would've been nice to have 225hp in the engine, we'll see as time folds out.

especially since I don't run out and buy any vehicle in it's first year anyway.


haha.


oops, continuing on with things I like...


new fenders... *removable too

wider stance... (longer wb also. push those tires out to the far corners!!!)

interior... (already mentioned.)

convertible... (thank the jeep gods for continuing the tradition. that's the only thing keeping me buying them. seriouslly!!! cause how many other swb convertible 4x4's are there?)

maybe the hard top... we'll see how well it seals and maintains itself

remote elelectric anti-sway bar discos (already mentioned)

electric widows and locks. (about time)

more aerodynamic while maintaining a traditional style. (wheew. I was worried about that. looks like they pulled it off well)

high back rear seats. (also about time)

hmmm.. wat else?

navigation system...

uh, yea... sure the list will continue. (least I hope it does. might encourage me buying one at some point.)

Don't forget about the Electronic Stability Program (ESP) that can be fully or partially deactivated.

[aerojt]

Yeah I can't wait to see the actual pics being released.

All the new stuff will be shown in detail.

[Oman Jeep]

I'll try and host the pics on the 9th too if they're released through the DCX media site.

I've got some extra storage space on my server now.

[KoolBreeze]

Don't forget about the Electronic Stability Program (ESP) that can be fully or partially deactivated.


yes


well.. see the thing is, I was listing things I liked or hoped they improved etc. I don't know wat that "ESP" is so I can't comment on it one way or the other.

I meant tail lights, my mistake-sorry, the penguin isn't really my biggest priority, just put it in for fun, glad you fooled it.

head, tail... just a matter of how it lands when you flip it.

I did notice last night the left tail lamp appears to stick out from the body while the right does not. (due to angle of pic taken etc kinda curious what the deal is on them. almost a bummer they got rid of the 30 year old "trailer" tail lamps cause they were cheap to replace. meh.

speaking of meh... not hard to fool a penquin. jeez... probably have a brain the size of an almond, go figure.

Just wait until you guys see pictures of the 4-door with the top off and half-doors. It's amazingly beautiful.

I just hope they come out at the same time as the 2-door.

-Mark


teh four door is a convertible? really? huh... can't wait to see this.

I still don't need or desire 4 doors, but if executed well perhaps it won't be that bad.

[Oman Jeep]

teh four door is a convertible? really? huh... can't wait to see this.

If it's true, I can't wait to see it either!

[daniel m]

when do you all think these will be @ dealerships !!! I think i want another jeep and its time to trade my xterra in !

[Hopperguy]

It would be cool if you could remove all four doors on a four door to get rid of alot of weight for wheeling.

[dennisuello]

since 1976, the general dimensions of the CJ7-YJ-TJ tub were the same, CJ5 and CJ8 were the same width, just different length. now, the body is wider. one of the reasons i like my TJ (and I had an XJ before), is that the body is narrow and fits well on the trails and maneuverable in the rocks. i like the new Wrangler, but it might be to bulky for my liking.

[ChromeTJ]

after a few photoshop modifications Id rock it!

http://photobucket.com/albums/v513/ChromeTJ/newjeep.jpg

[ccsp]

view of paneled roof


Man, that is SWEET!!!!!!!

[mattp]

I wasn't sure if I liked the looks or not at first. But it looks pretty good in the photo looking down from the top. I am starting to get excited. Can't wait to see the four door. I am also want to see some in different colors, maybe green or khaki.

[BDJeep]

What panels and windows can be removed?

What do you think it looks like with all panels removed? Is it a complete convertible with just the roof/panel supports remaining?

Any pics of what this would look like?

[iso]

Originally Posted by Brad Kilby
I've seen both the 2DR and 4DR models in person and there is a lot of cool stuff and a lot of not so cool stuff on these rigs. One of the not-so-cool things is that the roll bar or "Sport Bar" is welded in place. Yup, it's an integral part of the structure. Good look replacing it.


Brad is the four door really a convertible ?

Just curious, anyway I see you four wheelin,

[wrangler88]

i wonder if the fenders are gonna fade like they do on the TJ's hahaha

[Mopar Fan]

What panels and windows can be removed?

What do you think it looks like with all panels removed? Is it a complete convertible with just the roof/panel supports remaining?

Any pics of what this would look like?

Here it is without the roof...

2007 Wrangler w/o Hardtop (http://www.allpar.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=549)

[BDJeep]

Do the panels completely remove so you get this look?

Or are there 'tracks' or something for the hard top?

I thought I read somewhere that the hard top panels could be stored behind the rear seat?

[Andy-WhiteTJ]

Look at the bright side... all the newbies will be in the JK forum and we'll be stuck here. Hey, wait a minute!....

I kind of like it. I think they did a good as job as any for keeping the icon and getting it updated.

[bcgettig]

Look at the bright side... all the newbies will be in the JK forum and we'll be stuck here. Hey, wait a minute!....

Good thing we'll have the whole TJ forum as the buffer! :tomato:

On a more serious note I like it! Only thing I'm worried about is the 3.8 being up to par. It would be nice if we got a little MB diesel 4-banger...we gotta cut this high sulfer diesel crap out. Europe's got some freaking awesome diesel options.

[KProbst]

When the 2005 Ford Mustang was released......I was stunned, It was breath taking and I wanted one more than anything....it was perfect in everyway...a homerun!!

I don't feel that way about the 07 Wrangler. I have a 1998 and a 2005 and......I do not want to part with either one of them for the new kid on the block.

I am not a fan of the new grill.....with every round headlight Jeep after the MB, the headlights were oversized, a prominent part of the "face" of the vehicle. Now they are shrunk and recessed into the grill, like a Liberty.

The Fender flares are atrocious, there is not even a fender their....its all flare!!

The hood is flat....every Jeep since 1955 has had nearly the same hood, with the buldge in the middle that tapers towards the front of the hood....not this one, again another Liberty styling cue.

It may grow on me........but if not, there a plenty of MB'S, CJ's and TJ's lying around to keep my busy for the rest of my life!!!

[pghjeeper]

I'm not very impressed with the new Jeep, its not as bad as I thought. I could live with the body redesign...but all the advanced electronics crap has to go. If anyone has ever owned a mercedes vehicle you know that they load them up with tech crap so that the dealer has to service them. It also makes MB very unreliable vehicles, my 01 e-class had more problems than a 78 Pinto. I drove a new Power Wagon and the electronic disconect is not what you think it is. Its not like the disconects we all have now but more like a currie anti-rock that works on a rachet principle. When disconected it just losens its grip, it doesn't unattach from the axle. To me it looks a lot like the new Toyota FJ but more expensive, and with solid front axles. The four doorversion that I have seen looks like an H3. I just think they went a little to far into left field on this one. But then again it will appel more to the mainstream....and well the Jeepers will be forced to buy one or just run there old rigs into the ground.

[pghjeeper]

Thank god I got my LJ Rubicon when I did!!!!

[Hoosier303]

looks like a Yoda FJ? what are you smoke'n?

[hvac59]

This is strictly hearsay on the topic of 3.8 vs. the 3.7. Yes, the 3.7 was desired for this platform over the 3.8. This was due to the 3.7 refinements and it's anticipated future in other DC platforms. The 4.0 and the 3.8 are both planned for deletion. Although current production of the 3.7 cannot meet demand, but will in the near future as capital has/had been dedicated to a/that facility. The planned deletion(discontinuation) of the 4.0 is on or near the original schedule, however, the 3.8 production facility will continue until the 3.7's are avialable to meet demand.........................................
This is what I hear;
* The 4.0 is not able to economically be made able to meet anticipated emmisions pressures(which include fuel efficiancy)
* An out of U.S. engine plant or engine component supplier may be a possibilty.
* Options are left open for post changeover decisions of diesel or hemi sales percentages(inclusive of the lwb version),which could allow the v6 supply issue to solve itself and enable 3.7 production to meet demand.
* The 3.8 is a "market supply transition component"(sorry,can't translate that out of German any better than that).
* The 3.8 for the JK and won't be around long enough to get a large aftermarket following(probally not important, but a consideration all the same)
* The facilities where the 4.0 & 3.8 have to be considered as to employees,assets and alternate production uses.
* All or any this could change at any time depending on which way the DC profit flag is blowing !
hvac59
In case anyone is wondering what my opinion is, I think I'll wait for the first year chassis bugs to get worked out and a final powertrain decision. Hopefully it will include the DC (Motori Italia) diesel. BTW, Mercedes does not build that engine. The Benz division bought that Motori facility. :agree: (trivia)

[NicaJeep]

Flat Fender For Sure!!!!
any photochops????

dont like the new fenders.....

[wacker]

dude, new fenders are removable. whats not to like?

[TheRedlines]

Its not like the disconects we all have now but more like a currie anti-rock that works on a rachet principle. When disconected it just losens its grip, it doesn't unattach from the axle.


And the problem with this is?

[ToddS112]

view of paneled roof

I really like it from that view!

[ToddS112]

after a few photoshop modifications Id rock it!

http://photobucket.com/albums/v513/ChromeTJ/newjeep.jpg

Ok, that does it! Better go get in line.

[BOMBER]

One of the few vehicles that should have factory NAV as standard equipment does not ?!! :josh:

[89MJComanche]

I like my 3.7 in my Lib, it just all around out performs my TJs straight 6.

I can believe that people actually think this. You must do nothing but drive at 75mph. Sure the 3.7 performs better at that speed, but it sucks at low RPM. Ladyfriend has one in her work truck, it blows when it is loaded down.

Furthermore, the 3.7, definatly will not run for 400K like the 4.0 will. And I am not talking about 400K only on the highway. I am talking about 400K the way that I drive.

[89MJComanche]

.

The Fender flares are atrocious, there is not even a fender their....its all flare!!

!!


I am actually happy about this... the new fender flares look wider than my bushwackers on my XJ... so now they are completly legal.

[89MJComanche]

Thank god I got my LJ Rubicon when I did!!!!


My thoughts exactly.

HURRY GUYS!!

BUY THE REST OF THE LJ's RIGHT NOW!!

The sooner you do the more our LWB's are going to be worth.

[bcgettig]

The sooner you do the more our LWB's are going to be worth.

...Pfft, that's SO '97!

[89MJComanche]

...Pfft, that's SO '97!


Except for one thing... YJ Wrangler in 1997 did not have a 2.5 model year run of a very limited production long wheel base model like our LJ Unlimiteds are.

If you look at certain vehicles, that were only produced for a few years, and consider that Jeeps hold there value exceptionally well anyhow, it makes for nearly a guaranteed thing that the value of our long wheel base 04.5, 05, and 06 models are very rare. In 10 years, there will only be a few thousand long wheel base LJ's in existance. I mean how many Comanche Pickups do you see on the road these days?? And one in decent shape with 1000K on it is worth $5000. A few years back that same MJ with 90K on it was worth $2500.

[89MJComanche]

Did anyone notice how the hood on the new TK looks alot like the hood that AEV put on the LWB with the raised fenders?? It is nearly identical actually.

[NicaJeep]

dude, new fenders are removable. whats not to like?


whats not to like.... not having any fenders!!!!!!!!!!!

[Joel]

About time we got back to our roots and used a real (V6) engine. :D

I always think about that every time someone bad mouths the 3.7 V-6! Do the math, it comes out to 225 cu. in. Does that ring any bells???

Hey, 62 I see in your sig your one CJ has a 198 V-6. I had a '47 CJ2 that had that engine! Sold it to a guy who swapped in a 4 cyl. out of a Pinto!!! :lame:

About the only reason I can see to buy the '07 Wrangler would be to get a V-8. I'm really not impressed with what I see.

[Grimlock]

I like it!

[TheRedlines]

:teehee:
whats not to like.... not having any fenders!!!!!!!!!!!

I ya want fenders so bad I'm sure somebody can make some for you. For the rest of us......Sweet!

[KoolBreeze]

:teehee:


I ya want fenders so bad I'm sure somebody can make some for you. For the rest of us......Sweet!


I was thinking one step further... since they're "removable" I expect a few different aftermarket varieties will be available.

[NicaJeep]

I was thinking one step further... since they're "removable" I expect a few different aftermarket varieties will be available.

hence my statement on the flatfenders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stjjames]

The newhead lights reming me of the MB's with their recesed, bezel-less-ness. Thats a big break in tradition. :moodz:

[NJSurfCowboy]

One of the few vehicles that should have factory NAV as standard equipment does not ?!! :josh:


id rather save the money spent on a nav system and buy a few maps!!!


i like it, the picture of it with the top off is VERY reassuring....but like everyone else said, its all gonna be about how the test drive goes...



Keith

[stjjames]

sure will make flat fendering easier....


Sure will make no fendering easier . . .

[cabrilo]

Here you go. Let me know if anyone would like more photohoping. Give me some ideas!
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/cabrilo/newjeep1.jpg

[stjjames]

Seriously . . . the whole idea of flat fendering this jeep seems really silly to me. It doesnt really have fenders only flares, that are quick detaching. Or so it seems to me . . . correct me if Im wrong. Not that any of us have any real basis, weve never seen it in person. :nerd:

[stjjames]

Here you go. Let me know if anyone would like more photohoping. Give me some ideas!
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/cabrilo/newjeep1.jpg


How about a hoop guard & stinger, with no fenders, maybe sans doors as well :jammin:

[OCMerrill]

It's modern thats for sure. Attracts a larger audience which means possibly sharing a trail with more newbies that think a zero down lease, 32" tires, selectable ESP, an an electronic disco will get you over the Rubicon Trail in an afternoon for a picknick. Its more comfort and less jeep IMO. I do like it but glad to have my LJ.

The 3.8 is a pushrod engine I believe. It's been around a while and at least has some lower rpm torque. The 3.7 is a modular overhead cam high RPM tourqueless engine and a bad choice for a jeep.

I have a 4.7 v8 (3.7 w/ 2 more cyls.) in my wifes 4x4 Durango. GUTLESS and horid fuel economy. Its super quiet and smooth though. Jeeps dont need super quiet and whats smooth? Bahh.

If the 4.0 had to go I would say the 3.8 is a better choice. A Hemi... :knokwood: Someone stated eairler a MBZ Diesel would be very cool. I have owned a couple 300TD's in my day. Bomb proff.

[DBraceM20]

it would look alot better with a V8!!!

[Border Dave]

it would look alot better with a V8!!!

X a million! DC, please put a V8 in the new Wrangler. (Just in case they're reading this.)

[advtj]

Now that MPH has given a sneak peek at the ’07 Wrangler, we'd like to give you the full boat.

At 12:01 a.m. Monday, January 9 (late Sunday night), the moment the media embargo is lifted, J Rations will publish an in-depth first look at the 2007 Wrangler. We'll have all the photos, specifications and more on this newest incarnation of the Jeep Wrangler. So, mark your calendars to join us in the J Web on January 9:

http://jweb.jrations.com/landing_web.php

Hope we see you there!
Awesome dude!!! Worth staying up for. Thanks!! :thup2:
Modular top slide show too! hehe :inlove:

[puddle splasher]

http://jweb.jrations.com/07wrglr/07wrglr_index.php

Starting to definitely like this Jeep!

http://jweb.jrations.com/07wrglr/i/07wrglr_front.jpg

[whatevah]

bigger pictures linked to on this thread... http://www.delawareja.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7194

[ChromeTJ]

nice link thanks!!

[advtj]

So does the top store in this rear compartment?? :puzzled:


http://cgmedia.daimlerchrysler.com/dcxms/assets/libraryImages/JP007_019WR__mid.jpg

[Bob Porter]

I don't know if I'm going to be able to wrap my mind around that high revving V6. I like that my Jeep doesn't go fast, I enjoy going slow. And I enjoy that the torque curve of the I6 likes the slow stuff too!

[KProbst]

I have to say.....I'm hating it less with the new pics.

I'll have to see and drive on in person before I decide.

[advtj]

bigger pictures linked to on this thread... http://www.delawareja.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7194
or straight from the source...
http://maximum-cars.com/Cars/Car.php?carnumber=852

[Jooish]

or straight from the source...
http://maximum-cars.com/Cars/Car.php?carnumber=852

or thats not the source.....

heres the source -
http://cgmedia.daimlerchrysler.com/

the article is from them. they wrote it.

......we just got our stuff from them, and so did maximum cars.

[KoolBreeze]

I don't know if I'm going to be able to wrap my mind around that high revving V6. I like that my Jeep doesn't go fast, I enjoy going slow. And I enjoy that the torque curve of the I6 likes the slow stuff too!


:rolleyes:

jebus. if you enjoying going slow.. go friggin slow. You can get a new 300C with hemi and NOT go 120mph if you would prefer to drive 65.

let me try this instead...

somebody will say: "teh 4 banger is peachy for off roading, it's up to your gearing. were it hurts is ON the road not off".

uh..... ok then, now enter the concept of a V6.

the same person will now say: "oh NOOOoooossssss we can't have that!!!! cause it will suck off road."

yea... like it has less torque and power down low than the 4 banger did.

:banghead:



anyway the concept of 4spd OD Auto with 205hp/240lbft and 4.10's doesn't sound that bad to me. for on road and off.

(although I would've preferred somewhere around 235hp/260lbft)

[ccsp]

When are the 4 door pics coming? Hope they have it at the Auto Show. I WILL be getting one of these in the 4 door variety. The 2dr looks great! Nice stance. :rockz:

[TheRedlines]

:rolleyes:Blah Blah blah

You really ought to go get a honda.

[KoolBreeze]

good shot showing new high back rear seat (about time)

http://www.maximum-cars.com/wallpaper/jeep/2007-wrangler/3.jpg

[cherox]

When are the 4 door pics coming? Hope they have it at the Auto Show. I WILL be getting one of these in the 4 door variety. The 2dr looks great! Nice stance. :rockz:

i second that.. i never thought I'd actually want to buy a new Jeep product, but that looks cool, and the 4 door will be perfect for me.

[KoolBreeze]

You really ought to go get a honda.` :bigpink:


the bitch is you know I'm right.


;)

[KoolBreeze]

So does the top store in this rear compartment?? :puzzled:


http://cgmedia.daimlerchrysler.com/dcxms/assets/libraryImages/JP007_019WR__mid.jpg


there's another pic showing the compartment opened up. and no it doesn't

[TheRedlines]

Jeeps do not belong on the road. They are a utility cart. Therefore they should be building it accordingly.

[KoolBreeze]

http://www.maximum-cars.com/wallpaper/jeep/2007-wrangler/1.jpg

[KoolBreeze]

http://www.maximum-cars.com/wallpaper/jeep/2007-wrangler/2.jpg

[KoolBreeze]

muffler n tail light

http://www.maximum-cars.com/wallpaper/jeep/2007-wrangler/6.jpg

[KoolBreeze]

still room for a belly up? (looks mighty precarious imho)

http://www.maximum-cars.com/wallpaper/jeep/2007-wrangler/12.jpg

[Bob Porter]

the bitch is you know I'm right.


;)
Each person has their own driving style. I like torque down low instead of winding up the engine to build it up. That's why I have I6 instead of the 4cyl. If you like it, then go for it. But don't expect everyone to think the same way as you. I'll probably get it if the put a Diesel in it, but not with the V6.

[TheRedlines]

It really is a nice looking rig. It won't take too much to do all of the thing we do to our rigs now. All of this frame stiffening and body stiffening has me worried though. The one thing I haven't heard is how this thing weighs in. Our TJs are already tanks as it is.

[KoolBreeze]

Each person has their own driving style. I like torque down low instead of winding up the engine to build it up. That's why I have I6 instead of the 4cyl. If you like it, then go for it. But don't expect everyone to think the same way as you. I'll probably get it if the put a Diesel in it, but not with the V6.


owned a couple 6cyl powered swb convertible jeeps and a v8, but no i4's.

all about accepting reality though.

btw, it's gone now so shed your tears then wipe em off and move on.

:dh:



oh... and there's info in the DC forum here with a link to information showing DC stating they will be building a diesel version of the JT replacement in 07. since then though there's some "insiders" claiming that's been cancelled. I wouldn't think it would've been, perhaps more like "shelved until the US diesel fuel issue is resolved". hey, not like holding off for a year or two would kill anyone. it'll give em time to work out any bugs left so those capable of holding onto their emotions driving them to run out and line up to buy one will be the better off regardless.

[KoolBreeze]

It really is a nice looking rig. It won't take too much to do all of the thing we do to our rigs now. All of this frame stiffening and body stiffening has me worried though. The one thing I haven't heard is how this thing weighs in. Our TJs are already tanks as it is.


Wrangler X, Man. Trans
3,760 lbs. (1,403 kg)
Wrangler X Auto. Trans
3,785 lbs. (1,413 kg)
Wrangler Sahara, Man. Trans
3,951 lbs. (1,475 kg)
Wrangler Sahara, Auto. Trans
3,976 lbs. (1,484 kg)
Wrangler Rubicon, Man. Trans
4,104 lbs. (1,532 kg)
Wrangler Rubicon, Auto. Trans
4,129 lbs. (1,541 kg)


part of the "flex" of the old CJ's when off roading WAS the frame.

:rotflmao:

many would use overly stiff springs offering very little flex.

too the point I recall an argument I had with a fellow CJ owner back in the mid 80's. he thought the stiffer the springs the better. (while using soft shocks) I was almost the polar opposite claiming the softest springs that would still maintain themselves used with medium-stiff shocks were best.


It was part of the background... he was coming from the mudder offroading environment and I desert running.


to this day I know I'm right.

:D

[Bob Porter]

The reality of it is that I will either wait to see if they do the Diesel, or stick with what I've got. There are several things I like about the TK, but there really isn't anything that I don't like about my current TJ either. Besides look at all the changes that were done after the 97 TJ came out. So for now it looks cool but I ain't buying it.

[Fat Chili]

http://jweb.jrations.com/07wrglr/07wrglr_index.php

Maybe we will actually get to see a Rubicon in Australia :chugger:

[Kiwi]

I really like what I see. I'm clad I sold my TJ last year.

I hope to see photo's of the right hand drive soon as well which diesel engine they are going to install.

[KoolBreeze]

The reality of it is that I will either wait to see if they do the Diesel, or stick with what I've got. There are several things I like about the TK, but there really isn't anything that I don't like about my current TJ either. Besides look at all the changes that were done after the 97 TJ came out. So for now it looks cool but I ain't buying it.

nothing wrong with sticking with what you got, that's for sure. I might not ever replace my TJ with another swb convertible 4x4 either. (surely not because the replacement has a V6)

If not for "the promise"... you know the one, the one where you say "some day this jeep will be yours." promise I made to my son regarding the CJ (my ex DD for many years) I might not have bought the TJ.

I will state one thing as fact: I would have no problem driving a nicely set up/maintained V8 CJ7 as my daily driver RIGHT NOW. you could burry me in one for that matter.

this newbie Jeep? hmmm... it is enticing, but not so much as imaging my daughter driving one. me? eh... can't say just yet. I did like that unlimited. we'll see. I could very well end up in my current Tj for another 15-20 years.

[KoolBreeze]

meybe in 0-17 there will be a new gas-electic hybrid swb convertible 4x4 Jeep.

[KoolBreeze]

first the smokers windows... now this.

:teary:

j/k

http://www.maximum-cars.com/wallpaper/jeep/2007-wrangler/16.jpg

[TheRedlines]

Wrangler X, Man. Trans
3,760 lbs. (1,403 kg)
Wrangler X Auto. Trans
3,785 lbs. (1,413 kg)
Wrangler Sahara, Man. Trans
3,951 lbs. (1,475 kg)
Wrangler Sahara, Auto. Trans
3,976 lbs. (1,484 kg)
Wrangler Rubicon, Man. Trans
4,104 lbs. (1,532 kg)
Wrangler Rubicon, Auto. Trans
4,129 lbs. (1,541 kg)


part of the "flex" of the old CJ's when off roading WAS the frame.

:rotflmao:

many would use overly stiff springs offering very little flex.

too the point I recall an argument I had with a fellow CJ owner back in the mid 80's. he thought the stiffer the springs the better. (while using soft shocks) I was almost the polar opposite claiming the softest springs that would still maintain themselves used with medium-stiff shocks were best.


It was part of the background... he was coming from the mudder offroading environment and I desert running.


to this day I know I'm right.

:D
I was afraid that all of the "stiffening", wider stance, and thicker doors would weigh it down. Aparently it hasn't.

[ToddS112]

first the smokers windows... now this.

:teary:

j/k

http://www.maximum-cars.com/wallpaper/jeep/2007-wrangler/16.jpg

I like it. Look at that blank slate at the bottom for aux. switches, etc. I just hope it's as easy to take apart as the TJ dash is.

[KoolBreeze]

I like this configuration. probably be my standard daily driving one. (with rear seat removed and tonneau cover)

http://www.maximum-cars.com/wallpaper/jeep/2007-wrangler/25.jpg

[KoolBreeze]

I like it. Look at that blank slate at the bottom for aux. switches, etc. I just hope it's as easy to take apart as the TJ dash is.

I also like it. and soem time back a guy working for the company subcontracted to assist in designing the new dash commented it was to be more weather resistant (good deal after having my radio and clock spring replaced under warrantee after rain) and somewhat modular. don't know how much carried forward to production but this would be a good thing. I like taking out the vents, glove box, soda holders etc to wash them.

[KoolBreeze]

I was afraid that all of the "stiffening", wider stance, and thicker doors would weigh it down. Aparently it hasn't.

your concern seemed valid. the Tj is rather heavy by modern standards for the size.

speaking of which...

sometimes somebody will comment on it seeming "big", then I'll park beside a compact car and when we get out I'll have whoever compare the outside dimensions. the TJ (and CJ etc) are small outside (and in) they are just built like a tank and give the illusion they are bigger than they are.

Kinda curious how much bigger the new frame is compared to the TJ's. the pics reveal a bit of body hang on the sides) maybe that and the lighter (?) engine helped. **** if I know I'm just pulling this outa my ***. :try2fly:

[KoolBreeze]

my first thoughts on the speakers were negative. they might grow on me though. (like anteneas on my head maybe)

I like the rest although it's not my favorite steering wheel it'd probably be fine after I got over it.

http://www.maximum-cars.com/wallpaper/jeep/2007-wrangler/27.jpg

[KoolBreeze]

while I feel the diamond plate is pretty corny and it's not my thing I recognize they had to do something to break up the visuals on the plastic.

http://www.maximum-cars.com/wallpaper/jeep/2007-wrangler/29.jpg

[KoolBreeze]

ehe preceding images courtesy http://maximum-cars.com/Cars/Car.php?carnumber=852&page=wall

thanks for the full size pics and tghe bandwidth!@!

[rickbrins]

I know this is a pre-production model, but one thing that sticks out when I look at the pictures is that there are bumpers and a tie-down for a folding windshield, but I don't see how the frame hinges. (I know who actually folds their windshield?) Also, I am very curious to see the half doors.

At some angles the roll bar seems short and narrow and at other angles it looks ok (Have to see it in person I guess).

I also definately miss the Jeep lettering on the body pannel behind the front wheels (I don'[t know why, I guess because it has been there for a very long time)

I'm glad that they stayed somewhat close to it's roots, I am not as afraid as I was 3 months ago. I definately can't wait to see and drive one.

I can see an aftermarket front bumper with an integrated winch, as long as it is shorter. It definately lends itself to the inevitable aftermarket and homade parts.

[TheRedlines]

The steering wheel is a hell of alot better than the minivan wheel we're stuck with now.

[KoolBreeze]

hillarious...

. For the first time in a Jeep Wrangler, an optional towing package includes a rear Dana 44 axle with a 4.10 axle ratio and trailer hitch.


hey, 6spd manual or 4spd auto(my pref), 205hp/240lbft 6 cyl, 4.10's, d44/d30 or D44x2, 2.72 or 4:1, 32" tires, not bad.



and see... she wasn't lying when she said two inches difference really does matter:

Two more inches of space behind the rear seat nearly doubles the cargo capacity of the all-new 2007 Jeep Wrangler


While improving its legendary 4x4 Jeep capability, the all-new 2007 Jeep Wrangler offers enhanced on-road comfort due to an all-new 100 percent stiffer frame in bending, 50 percent stiffer body, refined five-link coil suspension, improved shock tuning, 2-inch longer wheelbase and 3.5-inch wider track. In addition, new steering and suspension geometry provides precise ride and handling characteristics, and new sound-deadening techniques reduce cabin noise by more than 20 percent.

“The all-new 2007 Jeep Wrangler reaches new levels of on-road ride, handling and refinement – an achievement realized while also boosting its off-road capability,” said Donoughe. “The new suspension enables the Wrangler to corner flatter with less lateral motion, provide better on-center steering feel, and even more effectively absorb on-road bumps and cracks.”

ok, so all peachy keen. 20% huh? hmmm... I didn't think it was all that bad in the first place but if I were to get one I'd appreciate the improvement.


kinda curious how much this is over-rated:

Standard on the all-new 2007 Jeep Wrangler is an Electronic Stability Program (ESP), which aids the driver in maintaining vehicle directional stability in severe driving maneuvers on any type of surface. ESP features three modes — “full on,” “full off” and “partial on.”

Standard on the 2007 Jeep Wrangler X model, low-pressure twin-tube shock absorbers are tuned to provide improved balance between jounce and rebound motions, achieving an extremely responsive suspension. Jeep Wrangler Sahara and Rubicon models feature standard high-pressure monotube shocks, utilizing Low Speed Tunable (LST) valve technology.

sounds like "yea yea.. whatever" to me. one to turn off, the other can be replaced.

Electronic Roll Mitigation: A system that observes and monitors the vehicle roll attitude and lateral force to estimate the potential for a rollover situation. If necessary, the engine torque is reduced and a short burst of full braking is applied to the appropriate wheel to help stabilize the vehicle attitude and reduce the vehicle’s lateral force
sorry, don't like the sound of that. of course I like kicking out the rear end if it strikes me also. don't want breaking when I don' uhm, want breaking. nor reducing the throtle either. meybe you can shut that off too.


For the first time, Jeep Wrangler offers an electronic-disconnecting front stabilizer bar — Active Sway Bar System (ASBS) — delivering additional wheel travel for traversing the toughest trails. As a result, the all-new 2007 Jeep Wrangler boasts a 652 Ramp Travel Index (RTI — a measurement of a vehicle’s suspension articulation) with the front stabilizer bar engaged and an 832 RTI with the front stabilizer bar disconnected — a 28 percent increase.

now that I like. :yup: call me lazy but it would be nice not to bother with manual disconnects. from the factory no less. good job on that concept Jeep!

[KoolBreeze]

I also definately miss the Joop lettering on the body pannel behind the front wheels


fx'd

[KoolBreeze]

The steering wheel is a hell of alot better than the minivan wheel we're stuck with now.


point taken. I'll conceed the steering wheel issue.



on a different subject...


kinda curious when DC will make a final decision on the retangular vs semi-retangle/oval radio shape.

[KoolBreeze]

160A alternator?

http://jweb.jrations.com/07wrglr/07wrglr_spec.php

nice!

a question on the stats...

the P255/70R18 offers improved clearance over the LT255/75R17 but makes more revolutions per mile?


(and this is of no significance. I just noticed it and had to comment cause I can)

[advtj]

It's a nice rig... but honestly, side by side the TJ is purtier.
Anyone else notice how old school our rigs look now, or is it just me? :nuts:
I'm picturing the TJ & TK(?) side by side with the doors and top off and i think styling wise TJ still wins in the grill, fenders, hood and wheel department... i'll be keeping mine for life, plus i'll never go through 5yrs of financing hell again. :not4me:

[KoolBreeze]

and we have Jeep offering 3 completly differnt makes of tires on the same vehicle?

this has to be some sort of industry first.

Goodyear Wrangler SRA :sousy:

Bridgestone Dueler 693

BFGoodrich Mud Terrain :thup2:

[KoolBreeze]

It's a nice rig... but honestly, side by side the TJ is purtier.
Anyone else notice how old school our rigs look now, or is it just me? :nuts:
I'm picturing the TJ & TK(?) side by side with the doors and top off and i think styling wise TJ still wins in the grill, fenders, hood and wheel department... i'll be keeping mine for life, plus i'll never go through 5yrs of financing hell again. :not4me:


old school? I prefer "classic" :agree:


the way I've always seen it... certain basic looks don't go out of "style". a swb Jeep needs to somewhat look like one and I think they kept it fairly honest and true to the cause. better than the rectangular headlights of the YJ. (if I had ever bought one I was going to swap the front clip of a CJ)

porsche 911, vw bug, Jeep.... there's a couple others I'm sure these come to mind quickly.

[SHinton]

Any idea when we will get to see info on the 4 door version? (Trying to decide if I need to run out and get the LJ Rubicon...)

Sam

[Scott00TJ]

The more I read about the '07 and the more pictures I see of it, the more I like it. I'm still keeping my '00 though. ;)

[dennisuello]

not happy with the location of the exhaust, it'll be toast first time it's offroad.

[TheRedlines]

not happy with the location of the exhaust, it'll be toast first time it's offroad.


Just think of this: Small aftermarket exhuast with a skid. Would be alot better than what we have now.

[Mountain Wrangler]

I think it looks great. I would get one for a street Jeep if I could afford to keep and insure four vehicles. I like all the new changes. I really miss having a street Jeep with good handling for back road top down driving.

I thought the earlier news from MPH magazine on the TK was that it had a 5 inch longer wheel base over the TJ for a total of what I thought was going to be 99 inches. No that I realize I had the numbers all wrong; in feel much better.

I have the wheel base in my 03 TJ at 101 inches, so the only thing the TK would have over the way my TJ has been built (if had the TK built in the same way with out the stretch wheel base) would be that the interior is 5 in wider. That would be the case because I have scraped so much of the original equipment, and would do the same to the TK. One reason I like my set up using a stretched TJ vs. a non stretch Unlimited is because now I have no rear over hang. I would not stretch an Unlimited for the same affect because I don’t want a 107 or more inch wheel base. So even if I could have had started with a TK, I would still want to stretch it. TJs are still my choice for a trail rig. However, if I wanted a more street friendly trail truck, I would start with an Unlimited and leave the wheel base alone, not lift it to high and run street friendly all terrain radials.

I bet there will not be any two door Unlimited TKs with a longer wheel base like the currant Unlimiteds. Most likely, the only longer wheel base offering will be a four door TK. The four door TK will probably not be popular with the Rock Crawling crowd. As a result the resale on the Unlimited should be very strong.

Before you all start flaming me for my setup, I want to say we should all build our trucks to what every way floats our boat. One of the coolest things about a Jeep is we can all personalize our Jeeps in thousands of different ways to what everyway pleases us the most. It only maters what we think of our own Jeeps and any one who doesn’t like them, dose not have to ride in them.

[Jason, aka: Jeepin.com]

It's the JK, not the TK.

There will be no LWB 2-dr, ala the Unlimited. Just the SWB 2-dr and the LongerWB 4-dr. The new 2-dr is sized btwn the current TJ and the Unlimited as far as length and space goes, so while I think the Unlimited is a fantastic vehicle, I don't see where such a vehicle would fit with the new model, given the size increase on the regular SWB 2-dr.

[Mountain Wrangler]

It's the JK, not the TK.

There will be no LWB 2-dr, ala the Unlimited. Just the SWB 2-dr and the LongerWB 4-dr. The new 2-dr is sized btwn the current TJ and the Unlimited as far as length and space goes, so while I think the Unlimited is a fantastic vehicle, I don't see where such a vehicle would fit with the new model, given the size increase on the regular SWB 2-dr.

Isn’t the Unlimited a 7 inch wheel base stretch over the TJ with 3 inchs more behind the rear tires for 10 all together, the TK is only two inches longer in the wheel base. Some like a longer wheel base than a TJ, like an Unlimted but do not want to build a trail truck from a 4 door truck. Thats why the Unlimitd is atractive to some or a TJ with a 7 to 8 inch wheel bace stretch like mine.

There is an article on Rockcrawler.com that says the Unlimited is a TJ with a 10 inch wheel base stretch and 3 more inches behind the rear tires in the body. I think that’s wrong and the 7 and 3 number is correct for the Unlimited.

[Jason, aka: Jeepin.com]

No, the Unlimited is a 10" WB stretch. Unlimited's wheelbase is ~103.5". TJ wheelbase is ~93.5". So the new SWB isn't a direct middle ground btwn the length of the Unlimited and the length of the TJ.

What's funny is, according to the current specs on Jeep.com, and the specs in the press release for the new '07's the '07 only has a 2" longer wheelbase than the regular TJ, but it's 3" shorter overall. :bangtard: Good ol' DCX, glad they can keep their numbers straight... :hungover:

[Mountain Wrangler]

No, the Unlimited is a 10" WB stretch. Unlimited's wheelbase is ~103.5". TJ wheelbase is ~93.5".

So the TK is not really between the TJ and the Unlimited, Is allot closer to the TJ, hence people will miss the Unlimited

[Jason, aka: Jeepin.com]

That's probably true. I'm actually kind of surprised they did get rid of the Unlimited though, considering they just came out with it, btu again, I think it has to do with the new model having interior space more like that of the Unlimited, even though it still retains a relatively short wheelbase.

[ieatchickens]

Just read the press information from the DC media site.

I CAN"T BELIEVE THEY KEPT THE FLIPPIN DANA 35 FOR THE "X" AND SAHARA MODELS.

So much for the "the most capable off-road vehicle in the world". I guess they just refering to the Rubicon since they continue to "under engineer" the other models.

[Mountain Wrangler]

I wonder how those 44s are set up. Are they the same Dana 30/44 hybrid axles with 1/4 in tubes and Dana 30 outers? If you want 35 inch tires and want to get on it a little, those TJ Dana 44/30s will have to go. How hard would it be to have put in Dana 44 knuckles and thicker tubes?

I thought I heard that Jeep is giving up on the Dana axles and has switched to AAM axles.

[west_dt]

Has it said what the gas mileage would be anywhere, I couldn't find it.

[Mountain Wrangler]

I dont know what the MPG is, I bet its about the same. I wonder where we can find out who makes the axles? Are the Dana or AAMs?

[XJay96]

Personally I think that front skid has GOT TO GO. Get a big enough lift and you shouldnt need it in the first place. I wonder how long it will be until lifts start coming out for this thing. up to a 3in bb, cant take long.

[jeeprocking]

Half doors


http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/jeep/wrangler_2007/naias_2006/reveal/650/DSC_2808.jpg

[ieatchickens]

I dont know what the MPG is, I bet its about the same. I wonder where we can find out who makes the axles? Are the Dana or AAMs?

Dana

Text from the Chrysler Group Media site:

Providing unmatched wheel articulation and durability, Jeep Wrangler X and Sahara models feature an enhanced Dana 30 front axle and Dana 35 rear axle.

Did they really use the word "durability" in reference to the D 35. NOW THAT IS HYSTERICAL!

[CRJeepin]

Half doors


http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/jeep/wrangler_2007/naias_2006/reveal/650/DSC_2808.jpg

Doors look sharp!

The bling on those wheels is really sparklin' huh?!

Hey, that 3.8 is already burnin' oil!
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8981/dsc28042cm.jpg

:rotflmao:

[XJay96]

Hey, that 3.8 is already burnin' oil!
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8981/dsc28042cm.jpg

:rotflmao:

Doubtfully Current temp in Detroit is 36 degrees... What does your 4.0 do in that temp just after startup???

[Kiwi]

Worldwide Availability

Sold in key international markets throughout the world, the all-new 2007 Jeep Wrangler is available with a diesel engine, as well as left- and right-hand-drive models. Built at Chrysler Group's Stickney Avenue Toledo Assembly Plant in Toledo, Ohio, the 2007 Jeep Wrangler will arrive in Jeep dealerships in the fall of 2006.

[Robert J. Yates]

Thats pretty interesting - I guess they had to make up for that V6 oil pan hanging down :eek:

[2k2wranglerX]

is that a bent lca too?

[Twinpinion]

There are some underside picks at www.jpmagazine.com. Be ready to laugh at the driveshafts. Yep, they look like half-shafts from a front wheel drive car. Oh, but there is one U-joint, on the front axle.

[kjp98TJ]

Thats pretty interesting - I guess they had to make up for that V6 oil pan hanging down :eek:
and the size and locale of the muffler.

[AdamLotz]

I think I like it!

If there was a V8 option (or maybe even a diesel) I'd be printing up the For Sale sign for my 99 right now.

As it stands I think I'm going to have to sit on the sidelines and wait to see how the V6 holds up.... But I'm definitely curious about this modular hard top.

Wonder if the "topless" pics are with the hard top panels removed or if they also removed the frame that the top attaches to.

Overall it looks like a good evolution of the TJ. I'm just not sure that it evolved enough for me to sell mine and buy this instead....

[MN Y2K Project TJ]

Upgraded Dana 44 axles - Jeep wanted to call them something different. 32 spline axle shafts, high pinion 44 up front, larger ring and pinion, larger lockers, etc.

[wrangler88]

well the 32 spline dana 44's is cool, the oil pan is terrible and so do the looks of that gas tank., i still need some time to adjust, i wonder what kinda of fuel economy it gets? i just wondering if that new 3.8 is gonna suck on the trail because of high hp and torque curve... hurm....

[XJay96]

I want to see pics of the soft top model!

[Knuckelhead]

I think you have to have the rpm's around 800-1000 higher to get the same torque out of it...

[dennisuello]

gas tank location is not impressive

http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/jeep/wrangler_2007/naias_2006/reveal/650/DSCN0958.jpg

[PineBarrensJeepster]

So is it a JK or TK?

[OILBURNER]

Rockcrawler.com Has new photos posted of the JK's under side! It has a high pinion 44 up front!!




Is that already a dent in the oilpan I see? :eyeye:

[numnumchocolate]

are those real control arms or stamped?

[jeeprocking]

No long-arm lift in that things future. Gas tank under the passenger seat along the rail. Yet the filler is still on the rear drivers side.

[Jeep4Rox]

It's got cross over steering also.

http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/jeep/wrangler_2007/naias_2006/display.asp?photo=reveal/650/DSCN1010.jpg

[wmouledouxiii]

I don't think anybody has pointed out that the new design is the same one from the gladiator concept minus the long bed.

http://www.jeep.com/autoshow/concept_cars/gladiator/index.html

Could the gladiator come shortly after? Just a thought. Anyway I like it!

[Rusty the Scoob]

I don't think anybody has pointed out that the new design is the same one from the gladiator concept minus the long bed.

http://www.jeep.com/autoshow/concept_cars/gladiator/index.html

Could the gladiator come shortly after? Just a thought. Anyway I like it!

I noticed... Since the 4-door model is pretty much confirmed I imagine they'll build the Gladiator too.... :jammin:

That's going to be my tow-rig/DD in 5 years.

[Kiwi]

Sold in key international markets throughout the world, the all-new 2007 Jeep Wrangler is available with a diesel engine, as well as left- and right-hand-drive models. Built at Chrysler Group's Stickney Avenue Toledo Assembly Plant in Toledo, Ohio, the 2007 Jeep Wrangler will arrive in Jeep dealerships in the fall of 2006.

[Jerry Bransford]

Thats pretty interesting - I guess they had to make up for that V6 oil pan hanging down :eek:Yowsa, wow, that oil pan is in serious need of some aftermarket skidplate protection!

http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/jeep/wrangler_2007/naias_2006/reveal/650/DSCN0980.jpg

[under_psi]

is that a bent lca too?


they look angled to me....

[KoolBreeze]

Wonder if the "topless" pics are with the hard top panels removed or if they also removed the frame that the top attaches to.



it appears the three piece top is just a modular hard top and doesn't need any "frame" of sorts.

take a look at some of the sites with additional pics posted above to better view this.

in fact...

http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/jeep/wrangler_2007/naias_2006/photos.asp

[Andy-WhiteTJ]

Yowsa, wow, that oil pan is in serious need of some aftermarket skidplate protection!

http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/jeep/wrangler_2007/naias_2006/reveal/650/DSCN0980.jpg

I thought that I read somewhere that there was supposed to be more skid plating with the new Wranlger. Was it removed for the photo op?

[Andy-WhiteTJ]

That muffler is going to get flattened. There's too many trails that I run where I am hitting my gas tank skid now. Ouch!

[raven4640]

barbie and ken, barbie and ken.

[XJay96]

I don't think anybody has pointed out that the new design is the same one from the gladiator concept minus the long bed.

http://www.jeep.com/autoshow/concept_cars/gladiator/index.html

Could the gladiator come shortly after? Just a thought. Anyway I like it!


Just goes to show how long they have been working on the new design. Its funny how so many of the parts from this new Wrangler are on the Gladiator as well.

[Mountain Wrangler]

Dose any one know whats up with the upper rear arms and track bar?
I cant see them here. That gas tank is in the way of were TJ upper arms would go and the JK gas tank would be a big problem for triangulated rear upper arms. Where is the upper arms and track bar on the JK.


http://jpmagazine.com/featuredvehicles/154_0601_07jk_25_z.jpg

http://jpmagazine.com/featuredvehicles/154_0601_07jk/#

[Mookie_jones]

funny. I had thought that jk stood for a jeep KUKA partnership due to the way they are building the new jeep.

I saw it a couple of months ago and its pretty nice. im not sure how i feel about the door handles though

[dennisuello]

Dose any one know whats up with the upper rear arms and track bar?
I cant see them here. That gas tank is in the way of were TJ upper arms would go and the JK gas tank would be a big problem for triangulated rear upper arms. Where is the upper arms and track bar on the JK.


http://jpmagazine.com/featuredvehicles/154_0601_07jk_25_z.jpg

http://jpmagazine.com/featuredvehicles/154_0601_07jk/#

rear trackbar is mounted behind the axle.
http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/jeep/wrangler_2007/naias_2006/reveal/650/DSCN0960.jpg

[Mountain Wrangler]

Is this the track bar on the rear axle also? And how are the upper rear arms mounted? They must be outboard of the springs becouse I cant see them in the picture I put in above and anyway, the gas tank is in the way of TJ stile rear upper arms

http://jpmagazine.com/featuredvehicles/154_0601_07jk_24_z.jpg

[NJSurfCowboy]

has anyone seen any pictures of the JK without doors????

[TheRedlines]

Steering

http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/jeep/wrangler_2007/naias_2006/reveal/650/DSCN1010.jpg

Looks like the big wheels are must with the new steering.

[dennisuello]

Is this the track bar on the rear axle also? And how are the upper rear arms mounted? They must be outboard of the springs becouse I cant see them in the picture I put in above and anyway, the gas tank is in the way of TJ stile rear upper arms

http://jpmagazine.com/featuredvehicles/154_0601_07jk_24_z.jpg

no steering links, it is rear axle.

[TheRedlines]

Sorry I'm at work and can only hotlink.

http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/jeep/wrangler_2007/naias_2006/reveal/650/DSCN1010.jpg

[Beast40]

I really like the looks of the new JK. Definitely needs some help with the oil pan, gas tank and muffler but none of that should be too hard.

Would be a fun DD since I would never part with my TJ.

[Mookie_jones]

has anyone seen any pictures of the JK without doors????


yes. it looks nice. I havent seen pictures though

[saltamontes]

minor questions:
how many gal the fuel tank?
carpet delete?
colors?
mpg?

the only real question:
diesel? diesel? diesel? diesel? diesel? diesel? diesel? diesel?

what do i have to do, import an ohio-made wrangler from australia to get the diesel?
come on!! put the mercedes diesel in that thing already.

[Oman Jeep]

I like how the "essentials" go in a compartment that would require unpacking the entire luggage area to gain access...

The old jack position meant the passenger HAD to get out and give you a hand... now you could be left to unpack the Jeep by yourself! :rotflmao: