Do M.O.R.E's anti-wrap spring perches really work?

[LeadFoot]

Are they worth the extra money over the regular spring perches? I know you can adjust the wheelbase slightly with them, but for $40 more than regular spring perches, I'll stick with normal ones if they aren't that much benificial. Thoughts? Expierences? Thanks!:beerchug:

[JRowe]

greatlake sells some that are similar with a lower price tag.

[LeadFoot]

Holy ****, you ain't kidding! The ones they sell are only like $5 more than the regular spring perches. Too bad I just found this out, because I just sent a check out yesterday for my 14bolt disc brake brackets to them. Oh well, the axle is far from done anyways. :beerchug:

[Wrangled]

I've got the MORE perches and there is almost no wrap with them. My springs are pretty new though.

[Hackle]

I have been SOA for about 4 years. Personally I would do anything that helped control the spring wrap. I run an anti-wrap bar and the MORE perches. I just ordered a new set for my new Dana 60. The more help you give the springs the longer they will last.

[NE-RokToy]

they may work if you have very slight axle wrap, but I would just put a traction bar on and totally eliminate the problem. I'm building a traction bar soon and all the brackets and bushings I will have under $100 invested and all I will need is an angle grinder and my flux core welder.

[Hackle]

-=- originally posted by NE-RokToy -=-
they may work if you have very slight axle wrap, but I would just put a traction bar on and totally eliminate the problem. I'm building a traction bar soon and all the brackets and bushings I will have under $100 invested and all I will need is an angle grinder and my flux core welder.

I believe I posted that I run both an anti-wrap bar and the extended perches. Did I miss something???

[NE-RokToy]

-=- originally posted by Hackle -=-
I believe I posted that I run both an anti-wrap bar and the extended perches. Did I miss something???

obviously you did miss something if you run both! with an anti wrap bar no need for spending the extra money, they are pointless with a traction bar and something that cost more and *might* work without a bar.

[jblalock]

is there a link for this greatlake place? I am not familiar with that one.

I am looking for perched now.

Thanks

[Hackle]

I have broken the traction bar once without the extended perch. With it I have had no trouble. But then again I do wheel hard rock trails, not mud and trees like in the NE. The new springs with the longer perches have lasted a lot longer and are still going, long past the previous versions. BTW "your might work without a traction bar" Is a joke when hitting hard trails.

[NE-RokToy]

-=- originally posted by Hackle -=-
I have broken the traction bar once without the extended perch. With it I have had no trouble. But then again I do wheel hard rock trails, not mud and trees like in the NE. The new springs with the longer perches have lasted a lot longer and are still going, long past the previous versions. BTW "your might work without a traction bar" Is a joke when hitting hard trails.

Build the traction bar right the first time then, I really doupt the traction bar hasnt broke again because of your spring perches. If you have a properly fuctioning traction bar it will not allow ANY wrap beyond bushing flex in the traction bar. This means the anti wrap charactoristics of your spring perches are never used.

Also I literally learned to drive on the rubicon when I was 12, spent all my summers in california and still make at least one trip a year out that way. yes there are no trails here worth a damn but my traction bar will get a workout under a 6000lb truck with granny first gear and 400ci motor.

Edit: just cought the last part of your statement, you are 100% correct about your last sentance, if he plans on wheeling this thing he really NEEDS a traction bar which means expensive spring perches are a waste of money.

[wallysheata]

-=- originally posted by LeadFoot -=-
Do M.O.R.E's anti-wrap spring perches really work?


ANSWER......NO get a set from the dealer for $12 and use the rest of the money for a traction bar, i don't care what ANYONE here tells you, if you rock crawl on a SOA set up, you need a traction bar to control axle wrap, i've got some trick Alcan springs designed to eliminate axle wrap with torque leafs, and military wraps...blah blah blah....nothing stops it like a traction bar....budget that into your soa conversion and call it done...I've blown through 4 ujoints in 8K miles due to my axle wrap



Wally

[Road Head]

Honestly? No, probably not. However, just like every other product that MORE sells, they are top quality. I bought them on sale at the christmas sale last year, but still felt bad for paying that much, but damn, they are nice. The main thing I like is the option for moving your axle. With a perch that isnt as long, you "could" re-drill, but there may not be enough room. I would base your decision on if you will ever want the extra inch, or if you will just stay centered on the perch. Waggy springs and the perches will get you 3" wheelbase.

[87JeepWrangler]

if your sprung over, dont even think about trying to use longer spring perches instead of an anti-wrap bar. just suck it up and build one. they arent that hard. here is mine (http://wehrs.no-ip.com/pics/2004.10.08_anti-wrap_bar/photo.php)

[zman]

I have the MORE perches and a traction bar. Let's just say when the traction bar broke the perches did nothing to prevent axel wrap, I then proceded to take out my rear DS u-joint. Get a traction bar, and mount it properly. :brows: Every point that the traction bar makes to the axel and frame must be top notch.

zman

[Hackle]

NE-Rok Toy
Nice reply considering I was in a bad mode and rude. Sorry
The traction bar was built right the problem was the carb and elevation. I had to hit some things harder then I should have. The reason it has not broken in a long time is that I installed a 4.0. I got the MORE perches because I used the extra hole to extend my wheel base. This is my traction bar and it is built very well.

http://members.cox.net/hackle/img32.jpg

[NE-RokToy]

-=- originally posted by Hackle -=-
NE-Rok Toy
Nice reply considering I was in a bad mode and rude. Sorry
The traction bar was built right the problem was the carb and elevation. I had to hit some things harder then I should have. The reason it has not broken in a long time is that I installed a 4.0. I got the MORE perches because I used the extra hole to extend my wheel base. This is my traction bar and it is built very well.

http://members.cox.net/hackle/img32.jpg

I remember seeing that when you first had it done, honestly its my ALL time favorite traction bar. Some day when I have more time I'm going to barrow my friends bender and try and come up with something like that.

[chef]

i can't use the extra hole, my diff will hit my gas tank, but they do help me. i haven't had any problems. i run the perches and 8 leaf packs, which helps the problem as well. just been trying NOT to have to run the traction bar. hitting the hammers soon so they'll get a real test then.

[NE-RokToy]

-=- originally posted by chef -=-
i can't use the extra hole, my diff will hit my gas tank, but they do help me. i haven't had any problems. i run the perches and 8 leaf packs, which helps the problem as well. just been trying NOT to have to run the traction bar. hitting the hammers soon so they'll get a real test then.

Wow 8 leaf pack! that may do the trick at least well enough not to worry about breaking U-joints. I still think traction bars are great for any spring over application just because you get better traction. My brothers truck had no noticable axle wrap in almost any situation (only time I noticed it was when a back tire was going into an undercut ledge) but says it wheels a ton better with the ladder bar, and it also drives better on the street.

[chef]

it still rides well with the 8 leafs, flexes fine too. just cut some of my old leafs up and fit them in. i may build a ladder bar at some point just to see how it runs, but the pres of the club i'm in runs 8 leafs as well and hauled a tent trailer up some big loose hill at los coyotes or the dusy or something and was spinning tires and stuff but had no axle wrap, that's why i gave it a shot. that and i was broke after picking up the parts for the spring over/axle swap :)

[jpcrawleram]

I run the same bar as you Hackle is that yours or hunters? He does very nice work. I have had great luck with mine, and now that I have some slick stuff to play on it has been tested on rocks and slop

[Hackle]

Yeah I was Hunter's proto type. It works great and looks cool. I will be attaching it to my new rear 60 this week:brows:

[zman]

-=- originally posted by Hackle -=-
Yeah I was Hunter's proto type. It works great and looks cool. I will be attaching it to my new rear 60 this week:brows:

Can I assume you have the 8.8 sold?

[Hackle]

Not yet. I will have the 8.8 and the built D30 up for sale soon.

[zman]

-=- originally posted by Hackle -=-
Not yet. I will have the 8.8 and the built D30 up for sale soon.

Let me know when your ready to sell, I got some one up here in Camp Verde looking to replace his YJ D35. What gears?

[code5337]

-=- originally posted by wallysheata -=-
ANSWER......NO get a set from the dealer for $12 and use the rest of the money for a traction bar, i don't care what ANYONE here tells you, if you rock crawl on a SOA set up, you need a traction bar to control axle wrap, i've got some trick Alcan springs designed to eliminate axle wrap with torque leafs, and military wraps...blah blah blah....nothing stops it like a traction bar....budget that into your soa conversion and call it done...I've blown through 4 ujoints in 8K miles due to my axle wrapWally

I agree. BTDT. Here is a pic of one I built on a CJ-7:

http://www.code4x4.com/images/projects/B4R/B4R-5_web.jpg

Just bite the bullet and build a traction bar. Any SOA CJ or YJ needs one for any type of gung-ho Jeepin'.

Here is a question for Ya'll. How come XJ's dont seem to need a traction bar, their SOA and don't seem to be affected by spring wrap?

[MattPascoe]

Here is a question for Ya'll. How come XJ's dont seem to need a traction bar, their SOA and don't seem to be affected by spring wrap?

I give... Why??

Toyotas are mostly SOA from the factory also. They do have the rear shocks on opposing sides of the axle tube, but I cant imagine that helps much.

:puzzled:

MP

[zman]

I believe the center pin is not in the center of the spring and the spring may be stiffer. Leaf packs are thicker. Not to mention how many XJ's do you see with tires larger than 33". Bigger tire means more axel wrap.

zman

[NE-RokToy]

Most XJ's I've seen with springs that flex worth a damn need traction bars, just like every other SOA rear setup I've ever had. My toyota needed one, my chevy needed one, and my ford needs one. I've seen 2 XJ's without traction bars and 33's or smaller do damage to the rear end because of spring wrap (busted center pin on one, blown U-joint on the other) Many XJ's use crappy rear springs, have a shorter offset from spring hanger to axle, use smaller tires, and arent wheeled as hard or setup as hardcore as a YJ that is spring over so this is why you probably don't see it as often.

[Hackle]

-=- originally posted by zman -=-
Let me know when your ready to sell, I got some one up here in Camp Verde looking to replace his YJ D35. What gears?

Sorry Zman they are sold already and I still have to pull the front tomorrow.
BTW they are 4.10's. He is supposed to pick them up with the money tomorrow if it falls through I will let you know.

BTW Rocktoy is right I wheel with a couple XJ's that could use an anti wrap bar. Once you start hitting hard trails and running large tires add it to the wish list.