Dana 30 Hi-Steer all finished up

[jeepik]

http://absolutjeep.com/knuckle_project/finished1.JPG

more pics here

http://absolutjeep.com/knuckle_project

[Joe Dillard]

Cool! PM is on it's way. :)

[silverbackcustoms]

Very sweet who did your knuckles I want mine done

[jeepik]

knuckles are done by John Swink(aka Ratherbejeepin) on this board

steering is Rusty's

[tehmidget]

Great work, have any measurements. I would love to try that with some old ones i have laying around.

[jeepik]

no measurements..sorry :)

[tehmidget]

Is he selling these or was it a one time thing.

[RatherBeJeeping]

-=- originally posted by 94YJ_in_LA -=-
Is he selling these or was it a one time thing.

He who?

[love24wheel]

-=- originally posted by 94YJ_in_LA -=-
Is he selling these or was it a one time thing.

Shoot him a PM or email.. at Ratherbejeeping@hotmail.com, and ask.. As far as I know, he's pretty swamped with stuff right at the moment, but it never hurts to ask..

BTW, Looks good Dmitry.. that some serious hi steer!
Scott

[tehmidget]

-=- originally posted by RatherBeJeeping -=-
He who?

He you since it seems you made them :beerchug:

I have two sets of knuckles, ill send you 2 sets you return a complete set.

[chef]

looks good man.


sort of related, anybody ever hezar of using a WJ passenger side knuckle for histeer rather then the teraflex knuckle?

[monkeyevil]

Did you weld on a stock cast knuckle?!!?!?!?! :giveup:

Please stay off the road.

[MattPascoe]

Jeepik, I spent a long while looking at the picture you posted and I dont see any steering components........












Very nice!!:beerchug:

MP

[jeepik]

-=- originally posted by monkeyevil -=-
Please stay off the road.

that's the whole idea here
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

[monkeyevil]

-=- originally posted by jeepik -=-
that's the whole idea here
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

As long as you NEVER drive on the road we are OK. :clapping:

[jeepik]

-=- originally posted by monkeyevil -=-
As long as you NEVER drive on the road we are OK. :clapping:

the roads i drive dont like fiberglass fenders too much :giveup:

[love24wheel]

-=- originally posted by monkeyevil -=-
Did you weld on a stock cast knuckle?!!?!?!?! :giveup:

Please stay off the road.

Ummm... you ever hear of a little thing called nickle rod?? :rolleyes: I welded my steel axle tubes to my cast pumpkin... should I stay off road too?
Scott

[mckeddie]

-=- originally posted by love24wheel -=-
Ummm... you ever hear of a little thing called nickle rod?? :rolleyes: I welded my steel axle tubes to my cast pumpkin... should I stay off road too?
Scott

nickle rod, preheating, and not letting cool to fast, that's the best way i know to weld to cast (told to me by a welding instructor that works at the fab shop i work at). we had to weld a chuck of cast onto a d60 knuckle some jackass had torched out.

greg

[TexasBlake]

-=- originally posted by chef -=-
looks good man.


sort of related, anybody ever hezar of using a WJ passenger side knuckle for histeer rather then the teraflex knuckle?

I've thought about it. Not for me, but for other people. The problem is WJs are hard to in junkyards, especially 4x4 ones. It's even harder to find a JY that will sell JUST the knuckle. Most of them want to sell the complete front axle.

[jeepik]

-=- originally posted by TexasBlake -=-
I've thought about it. Not for me, but for other people. The problem is WJs are hard to in junkyards, especially 4x4 ones. It's even harder to find a JY that will sell JUST the knuckle. Most of them want to sell the complete front axle.

agreed..couldnt find WJ knuckles for a reasonable price, thats why i went this route

[monkeyevil]

-=- originally posted by jeepik -=-
the roads i drive dont like fiberglass fenders too much :giveup:

A) My fenders are urethane.
B) My fenders wont crack or break at the first sign of any stress cause I chose to weld on a forged knuckle.

If this was safe why would people pay $300+ for histeer solutions?

Go ask on pirate, I notice you did not :rotflmao:

[jeepik]

-=- originally posted by monkeyevil -=-
A) My fenders are urethane.
B) My fenders wont crack or break at the first sign of any stress cause I chose to weld on a forged knuckle.

If this was safe why would people pay $300+ for histeer solutions?

Go ask on pirate, I notice you did not :rotflmao:

1. you hava a renegade your fenders are fiberglass

2. there is no problems with welding to to cast, if you know how to weld,

3. i dont need POR's aproval on this product, or any other product!!! if i did i owuld have posted it on that board.

[jeepik]

oh one more thing...the bottom plate welded on your 8.8 pumpkin is what kind of metal, welded to what kind of metal???

thought so

[monkeyevil]

Renegade fenders are not fiberglass. They are urathane. I have them, trust me.

Welding to cast is fine in a situation that does not have a lot of load on it. Your knuckles have TONS of load on them... more than you think.

Even if you did have enough bracing and surface area to weld on those brackets, the welds still look like ass. They will crack, hopefully not in a situation that causes you to loose your life.

My 8.8 bottom plate will never see the loads your knucles will. There is a still at the smallest point a 1/4" of material of the original casing on the bottom. Plus if that fails no noes dies but some diff fluid. :clapping:

[jeepik]

interesting i guess the wrecked renegades i have seen at the junk yard must have some other type of fenders,

as they are definitely fiberglass and definitely not urethane

as far as welding to cast....looks at the C's welded to the axle tubes...

wait a minute are you dissing on the weld job on my steering???? put some glasses on the welds are perfect

[monkeyevil]

-=- originally posted by jeepik -=-
interesting i guess the wrecked renegades i have seen at the junk yard must have some other type of fenders,

as they are definitely fiberglass and definitely not urethane

as far as welding to cast....looks at the C's welded to the axle tubes...

wait a minute are you dissing on the weld job on my steering???? put some glasses on the welds are perfect

:rotflmao: Does fiberglass bend and crack like this? Maybe you saw a boat at the junkyard and got confused... They are also bright friken yellow on the bottom, just like urathane. Cause they are urathane. Maybe your junkyard adventures don't compare to the YEARS of experiance I have with these fenders.
http://www.4given4x4.com/images/2year/images/2%20year%20016.jpg

Inner C's are press fit then welded. They have 0 room to wobble back and forth and stress the weld, nor is the weld what holds to the tube, the press fit does. Try again.

[Old Fart]

Hmm, maybe you'd like to post YOUR AWS CW and SCWI cert's?????

I remember now why I don't watch the kitten boards anymore..........:clapping:

[jeepik]

-=- originally posted by Old Fart -=-
Hmm, maybe you'd like to post YOUR AWS CW and CWI cert's?????

I remember now why I don't watch the kitten boards anymore..........:clapping:

oh leave him alone, his 10 inch wide wheels get a better footprint on the highway :D

[Old Fart]

Nah, I checked out some of the pics on his website. Wish I'd done it before lunch - now this fish sammich wants OUT :rotflmao:

[jeepik]

-=- originally posted by Old Fart -=-
Nah, I checked out some of the pics on his website. Wish I'd done it before lunch - now this fish sammich wants OUT :rotflmao:

not bad :) early lunch???...see the kiddie boards are good for something

[monkeyevil]

You guys crack me up. I'm looking out for your safety and your attacking my jeep :clapping:

You were already wrong about renegade flares and you were SURE you were right about them. Wrong about how inner C's can stand up to the stress of being welded.

I have 0 wheeling pics on my personal server. Trip pics on on my club page. http://www.4given4x4.com/trips.htm enjoy.

[monkeyevil]

-=- originally posted by jeepik -=-
oh leave him alone, his 10 inch wide wheels get a better footprint on the highway :D

Your right, they also give me a 4" wider width. My Jeep is my DD for 50 miles a day, AND what I wheel with. How are those crawlers wearing in the middle at the mall?

[Old Fart]

Golly gosh campers, a whole 50 miles????

Sonny boy, that won'y get my YJ even TO work....:naw:

[Old Fart]

-=- originally posted by jeepik -=-
not bad :) early lunch???...see the kiddie boards are good for something

Usually get to LAX about 0600, try to bail home by 1530 at the latest. Lunch tends to fall around 1030 for me, unless I'm in one of the terminals (good eats over there)

[monkeyevil]

And your point is?

If all you have to discredit my opinion is my fender flares and 10" rims then :bsflag:

Lets see some real world situations where welding a histeer arm on a knuckle is a good idea, because I'm sure that Crane and everybody else making hi-steer arms will be put out of business.

I'm sick of people trying to discredit my opinion when the burden of proof is on you. I have seen welded knucles fail, and the weld was in a much less stressed place than that.

[jeepik]

-=- originally posted by monkeyevil -=-

Lets see some real world situations where welding a histeer arm on a knuckle is a good idea, because I'm sure that Crane and everybody else making hi-steer arms will be put out of business.


how about the fact that there is no room on a dana 30 knuckle to DRILL for a hi steer arm???

did you ever consider that into effect??

go visit Toysbytroy.com or stuoffoad.com and aske them how their welded on hi steer knuckles are holding up to mall wheeling??? and 50 mile commutes

stop bringing Crane or other non-existen t budget companies into this ocnversation, you've been hanging out on the POR board way too much sunny boy

STOP Bringing stuff up on my thread...is there anywhere in my post where i asked for opinions on how it will hold up??? or opinions on what i did right or wrong???

[monkeyevil]

You posted it for opinions. You don't yell at people for saying it's cool. :rotflmao:

I am hardly ever on pirate, but there is a lot of good info on there. Info that will keep a manslaugter charge away :clapping:

[Old Fart]

Gee, Welding AND Legal issues. Are there any other subjects that you don't know Jack about?:neil:


Maybe you'd like to pop over to one of my Tactical forums, I'm sure there's got to be a few Treasury agents or SWAT cops just dying for your enlightened opinions.:agree:

[monkeyevil]

-=- originally posted by Old Fart -=-
Gee, Welding AND Legal issues. Are there any other subjects that you don't know Jack about?:neil:


Maybe you'd like to pop over to one of my Tactical forums, I'm sure there's got to be a few Treasury agents or SWAT cops just dying for your enlightened opinions.:agree:

I know about materials because I research before I put my life on the line bulding something. Maybe you should read this and TELL ME what is wrong with this setup.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-BV60/index1a.html

Most states have strict regulations on steering modifications. If this thing breaks on the street and takes out some family in a van what do you think is going to happen? No one is gonna notice the broken weld on the arm? It's not being a know it all... it's common sense. You killed 4 people cause you welded on your steering... we are going to let you off with community service, have a good day.

Why don't you step your ass up and prove YOUR expertise. My d30 does not have a steering arm welded to it. I have nothing to worry about.

[Old Fart]

Never said that it was an easy process - or that _anyone_ could do it. On the failed welds to forged knuckles THAT YOU'VE SEEN, what process was used to weld the failed knuckles? Were they preheated? Was a high nickle rod used?

Do you even weld? Saw diddly about your extensive fabrication projects on your website.

So before you rattle your SheepsUnlimited pie hole any further, either start showing those of us who DO weld (and in some cases who have welds that have been around "slightly" longer than you have) that you're capable of more than logging on to POR and hitting search.

FWIW, they ain't my welds either, pup. Don't really care a rats ass what you think, until you prove to me that you know at least as much about fabrication FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE as some of the rest of us.

[jeepik]

-=- originally posted by monkeyevil -=-
Maybe you should read this and TELL ME what is wrong with this setup.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-BV60/index1a.html


for someone who doesnt visit POR a lot you sure do reference the site a lot, cant you do anything without the aproval of that board???

[monkeyevil]

-=- originally posted by Old Fart -=-
Were they preheated? Was a high nickle rod used?

You can preheat and use nickel rod till your eyes turn blue. You can be one of the best welders in the world. But what you CAN'T do is weld mild steel to a knuclkle and have it hold to the kind of forces that we see offroad. It's just not possible.

There are plenty of people that have been doing all sorts of **** longer than me. That doesn't make them any more right than I am. I know people that have been doing crap wrong their whole lives. :rotflmao:

I'm not a professional welder, I'm not a professional fabrictor. But I do understand how metal works.

for someone who doesnt visit POR a lot you sure do reference the site a lot, cant you do anything without the aproval of that board???
:puzzled: I posted a link to a reference about metal... it just happend to be on the POR board. There is some stupid crap on POR, but there is also some VERY usefull resources.

I am done with this thread. Flame me as you will. Good luck with your new steering.

[jeepik]

-=- originally posted by monkeyevil -=-
I'm not a professional welder, I'm not a professional fabrictor.

then you must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night:rotflmao: :clapping: :rotflmao:

[mmackl1]

[QUOTE] -=- originally posted by mmackl1 -=-
You can preheat and use nickel rod till your eyes turn blue. You can be one of the best welders in the world. But what you CAN'T do is weld mild steel to a knuclkle and have it HOLD TO THE KIND OF FORCES WE SEE OFFROAD. It's just not possible.[Quote/]




I can't recall seeing to many vans filled with family's offroad to kill. But if I did I guess I could be going down a trail fast enough to injure them right?
:rotflmao:

[geauxturbo]

We're not close enough to Mexico :agree:

[generalee7]

It doesn't matter how he welded it to cast anyway, looks like JB weld to me.

[GruntDoc]

i will give you a "A-" for effort but i feel it was misplaced.

Do you plan on trailering it EVERYWHERE? as i would not trust that system on road. If it will be trailered then have fun till it breaks and just ignore everything posted below this :agree:

Those welds look questionable. how did you pre-heat? how did you control cool down? what exact rod did you use?

why does that look like a filler putty?

unless you have heavy $$$ invested in that 30 (locker/gears/alloy shafts) You could have done a much safer system on a much stronger axle for the same effort/cash you placed there.

Those tires alone are testing the limits of that axle,that to me would have been the deturmining factor in weather that axle was worthwhile or not.
I myself am running 39.5s and that made me VERY question a 44 with alloys/CTMs. i decided replacing broken parts was not what i wanted to do a lot and found a 60 front.

remember that is a lot of shear stress to be placing on weld that are only acting as a "door stop"

[silverbackcustoms]

monkeyevil you do reasearch before you but your life on the line so you have done material lookup and testing sit. that are in books in an engineering lib. ..........looking **** up on a board is not research bubba....I talked to my materials Prof. whois a Dr. and he said that you would be fine as long as the item was slowly cooled over a 3 hour time period....I not a mterial scientist......just a Chem. Engineering student and monkeyevil you havent proved any real world or professial experence......just your wanabe research. ...................sorry about the sp. I a chem e student not an english major

[fatkid1082]

silver....pretty

[Joe Dillard]

-=- originally posted by silverbackcustoms -=-
sorry about the sp. I a chem e student not an english major
Plus - you're from Kentucky, so there's an automatic spelling consideration already taken into account. ;) :D :D j/k

BTW: Nice comments! :)

[silverbackcustoms]

yah this is what happens after a long day and a few beers

[Old Fart]

-=- originally posted by Joe Dillard -=-
Plus - you're from Kentucky, so there's an automatic spelling consideration already taken into account. ;) :D :D j/k

BTW: Nice comments! :)

Well good morning Dr. Dillard, fancy meeting you here :puzzled:

[jeepik]

so many doctors in the house, i fee belittled

[Old Fart]

Don't - you probably know as much about medicine as whoozit knows about welding :neil:

[jeepik]

-=- originally posted by Old Fart -=-
Don't - you probably know as much about medicine as whoozit knows about welding :neil:

hey now back in the day i took 1 year of pre med, before i came to my senses :)