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jeepjosh

07-31-2003, 01:00 PM

Heres the deal. i picked up an 88 wrangler a couple weeks ago and planned on fixing it up for some summer driving and light wheeling, and then building it up over the winter. My question is, what does it take to either run 39's or 44's. Im already looking into getting a d60 front and a 14 bolt rear, both will be full width. Along with a NV4500 trans, but what transfercase should i run, and what size engine?? Also how much lift would sufficiant?? I dont think i want to hack at the fenders b/c i still want to be able to drive it on the streets everynow and then (it wont be legal, i know) im going to go the way of SOA, but how much lift is needed?? any pics of jeeps with either of these tires sizes would be great...thanks in advance for the help guys

orangecrush302

07-31-2003, 01:04 PM

if u go soa just get the re 4.5 springs and ull have plenty of lift to clear 39's
as for motor i would go with a v8 but id say a 6 would turn those tires if u had it geared right

Spence97TJ

07-31-2003, 03:31 PM

you need to do a lot more research before you put 39's on a stock wheel base YJ without cutting fenders...call blue torch fab, and check out the site www.bluetorchfab.com you need to lenghten the frame and relocate everything, your engine will be fine as long as you gear it and dont plan on taking the interstate to the trail.

jeepjosh

08-01-2003, 04:45 AM

So are you saying that if i choose to cut the flares, i dont have to stretch the wheelbase??

bigdude

08-01-2003, 08:29 AM

Why do you want to build a Jeep running that size tire? Just curious.

People needing to run that large of a tire due to wheeling difficulty generally know the answer every question you asked, from experience.

Pollock

08-01-2003, 11:10 AM

-=- originally posted by bigdude -=-
Why do you want to build a Jeep running that size tire? Just curious.

People needing to run that large of a tire due to wheeling difficulty generally know the answer every question you asked, from experience.

He said he wants to drive it to the mall every now and then n00b. Ofcourse he does not know what he is doing. That is why he is asking this question. Since you know everything how come you did not answer him? :puzzled:

Just because someone wants a certain tire size (that is bigger than yours) does not mean they would already have all the answers. :naw:

To answer the question I would go SOA with RE 4.5 XD lift as mentioned. Drop in a 350 or 383 SB Chevy. The tranny you have is a nice choice. Bolt it to a Dana 300 or an Atlass II transfercase and you will be good to go.

Cut and hack accordingly or just adjust your bumpstops.

bigdude

08-01-2003, 01:04 PM

-=- originally posted by Pollock -=-
He said he wants to drive it to the mall every now and then n00b. Ofcourse he does not know what he is doing. That is why he is asking this question. Since you know everything how come you did not answer him? :puzzled:

Just because someone wants a certain tire size (that is bigger than yours) does not mean they would already have all the answers. :naw:

Feb is before Apr newb :rotflmao:

If you have progressed by experience to know the size required for certain wheeling areas, you'd know from experience what set-ups work, what is a possibility for your vehicle, and what you want. That is why I posed the question asking the reason he wanted to run that size tire. Specifics would help in giving a suggestion- mud, woods, rocks, show & shine, t-case, motor, etc, etc. I couldn't answer his question with the information provided; there are a million possibilities.

I have never seen the point in people jumping from 31s close to stock, to huge vehicles w/o the wheeling experience. The only way to really learn how to drive IMO is progression.

As far as tires I have found that 37-39 will really get you everywhere and the steering characteristics of a 37 on 17 can not be beat. Anything over that isn't necessary except for mud and snow, but it does make things easier with added clearance. Also certain 37s measure taller than other companies 38s and close to some 39s so tire brand is important when looking at actual size.

Pollock

08-01-2003, 01:39 PM

-=- originally posted by bigdude -=-
Feb is before Apr newb :rotflmao:

If you have progressed by experience to know the size required for certain wheeling areas, you'd know from experience what set-ups work, what is a possibility for your vehicle, and what you want. That is why I posed the question asking the reason he wanted to run that size tire. Specifics would help in giving a suggestion- mud, woods, rocks, show & shine, t-case, motor, etc, etc. I couldn't answer his question with the information provided; there are a million possibilities.

I have never seen the point in people jumping from 31s close to stock, to huge vehicles w/o the wheeling experience. The only way to really learn how to drive IMO is progression.

As far as tires I have found that 37-39 will really get you everywhere and the steering characteristics of a 37 on 17 can not be beat. Anything over that isn't necessary except for mud and snow, but it does make things easier with added clearance. Also certain 37s measure taller than other companies 38s and close to some 39s so tire brand is important when looking at actual size.

He might as well go straight to 44"s. It will save alot of money on wasted lifts and suspensions. I am already on my second lift and I have not even had the turd for 2 years yet. :banghead:

bigdude

08-01-2003, 01:45 PM

-=- originally posted by Pollock -=-
He might as well go straight to 44"s. It will save alot of money on wasted lifts and suspensions. I am already on my second lift and I have not even had the turd for 2 years yet. :banghead:

But you are learning how to drive in the process. I can't tell you how many people I've wheeled with who went straight to big ass vehicles from stock and couldn't drive their way our of a paper bag; getting spanked by spring under Jeeps on 35" tires.

Pollock

08-01-2003, 02:20 PM

-=- originally posted by bigdude -=-
But you are learning how to drive in the process. I can't tell you how many people I've wheeled with who went straight to big ass vehicles from stock and couldn't drive their way our of a paper bag; getting spanked by spring under Jeeps on 35" tires.

Who cares. They will learn eventually.

jeepjosh

08-01-2003, 03:10 PM

i can wheel just fine actually...where i wheel its mostly mud, and lots of it...my first jeep was a 2000 wrangler that i put 5.5 long arm lift on and ran 36's, which got stuck all the time, but i had to sell it due to some trouble i got into with the police...so i bought a very used jeep to tear apart and build...As we all know, TJ's and YJ's suspentions differ greatly and i dont know how much lift is neede to run that size tires...39's are what i want, but when rains they are probably to small for where i go, thats why i was also curious about the 44's...i dont what to thave to build it 3 times t get it to where i want like i did with my other one....for those of u who have responded to the questions, i thank you, for those who have had wise comments come wheel with me adn ill time you on how long it takes you to get stuck :clapping:

bigdude

08-01-2003, 04:42 PM

-=- originally posted by jeepjosh -=-
where i wheel its mostly mud, and lots of it...39's are what i want, but when rains they are probably to small for where i go, thats why i was also curious about the 44's...

2.5"-3" SOA with 2-3" BL for mud. Pretty common down here. Fits 40"-44" tall tires w/o trimming since not too much flexing is done in the mud. Body lift will also make undercarriage cleaning easier. 4.5" SOA with stock wheelbase to 98" WB will be hard on driveline angles unless you only push back the rear axle 4+". Also the RE XD springs are a tall 4.5" spring (I've seen them show 5+" new on a light rig). You would likely need a 1-2" skid drop, or HP rear axle, to help with angles when running them SOA.

Full width axles will be needed to clear the tires off the frame rail. If not you will eat bearings/ball joints with minimal back spaced wheels on a narrower, smaller axle. 60/14bolt will hold up to 44s fine in mud- in stock form without beefy shafts up front.

bigdude

08-01-2003, 04:44 PM

-=- originally posted by jeepjosh -=-
for those who have had wise comments come wheel with me adn ill time you on how long it takes you to get stuck

I'll extend the same offer :clapping:

jeepjosh

08-01-2003, 05:27 PM

id love to go to florida and do some wheeling...as soon as i get rid of my grand cherokee im lookin to get a dodge diesel adn a trailer...maybe i could make a little road trip.:rotflmao:

Pollock

08-01-2003, 05:31 PM

-=- originally posted by jeepjosh -=-
id love to go to florida and do some wheeling...as soon as i get rid of my grand cherokee im lookin to get a dodge diesel adn a trailer...maybe i could make a little road trip.:rotflmao:

That is what gets me about Bigdude? There is nothing but sand and swamps in Florida? I do not see why a stock Jeep would not be sufice in Florida? :puzzled:

jeepjosh

08-01-2003, 05:32 PM

Does anyone have any pics of rigs that have the set up that im looking to run?? Or know where i should try to look for them on the web??

Spence97TJ

08-01-2003, 11:24 PM

once again ill say, staying at stock wheel base at that heigh causes all kinds of problems COG being the main concern...then driveline angles...if you dont want to go into extending your frame, and insist on 39-44''ers i would go SOA with 3'' BDS Springs, a shackle and flatten the front fender and level the rear one. Did you check out www.bluetorchfab.com most of those jeeps are on 44'' boggers w/104'' wheelbase. Call them Dan is a real nice guy he'll tell you what you need to do to have your jeep the way you want it.

MN YJ GUY

08-03-2003, 01:47 PM

I am getting ready to put my 39.5's on. I have stock waggy 7 leafs up front and F-150's in the rear. That should lengthen it enough. I have a 60" wide Tera for the rear, and a waggy width HP 44 for the front. I still have to figure out my drive shaft angles, hopefully I will have a better idea after my Klune-V gets here. It has been a long week waiting for it:brows:

To anwser your question: run whatever engine, tranny, tcase that you want. Just make sure that you have the proper gearing for it.

I am running the 2.5, klune, and dana 300. No power lots of gears and lots of leavers to pick the gears.

My friends all run V8's and 700R4's and 300's. Lots of different ways to go about this. Just pick what rout you want and start spending the money:banghead:

NE-RokToy

08-04-2003, 02:18 AM

if your just in it for mud hmmmmm......

If you want to those tires to spin with any kind of speed gonna need a V-8, and it will work well with a nv-4500 however I would just run a th-400 for mud its super cheap plenty strong and will help keep the tires going.

I don't know why you say you don't want to cut the fenders because you want to drive it on the street. THe tires will hardly be under the damn thing anyway, and opening up the wheel wells isnt going to make them stick out further. As far as lift I would run wagoneer springs to help get the wheelbase at least a little longer, every little bit helps when your that tall. 2.5" Rancho wagoneer springs would work. Add a small body lift to help clear the tranny, and open the fenders up a little and it should go. If you get stuck with 39.5" boggers cut all the little lugs out and get more HP.

jeepjosh

08-09-2003, 05:36 PM

I need the flares because my friend who is a cop said that if i cut them his friends will give me a hard time, but with the flares he said they would leave me alone.

NE-RokToy

08-09-2003, 06:20 PM

mud flaps will keep the cops off, and can be made to be easily romoved for wheeling.

Skyrider

08-09-2003, 06:39 PM

well the monster jeep question got me... as thats what i run, my rigs on 39.5 boggers and i think i can help with a few things and most of the jeeps i run with are no smaller than 38s....

face it.... if you wanna run 40-44s, get out the cutting wheels... as you will need huge amounts of lift to clear them when flexed. if you go a coil setup you will not need to stretch the frame (know this one from experience as i stretched my wb 14" without a frame stretch) for power wise, your best bet is gonna be a sbc.... as your gonna need lots of power to turn the tires... for a t-case.... depending on what the rest of the drivetrain is... i would say either a d300 or a 205.... or if cash permits.. an atlas... another thing is that with the stock wb of the jeeps at 93" with 40s or greater, be expecting a roll or two when doing steep hills... and also expect a super short and steep driveshaft angle... i have a few pics on my comp but cant post them, but if anyone wants i can email them to ones interested.... good luck...

92YJ4liter

08-10-2003, 03:15 AM

dont do any lift,cut the sides off,run full width D60 front and D70 rear and the new 49" Super Swamper IROKs when they come out:brows: time to break out the sawzaw

bigdude

08-12-2003, 11:59 AM

-=- originally posted by Pollock -=-
That is what gets me about Bigdude? There is nothing but sand and swamps in Florida? I do not see why a stock Jeep would not be sufice in Florida? :puzzled:

You're wrong about FL. Also have my tow rig and trailer for trips and comps

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Sidewalkman

08-12-2003, 02:48 PM

-=- originally posted by bigdude -=-
I'll extend the same offer :clapping:

Just what the board needs is a condescending know it all f*** to enlighten all of us know nothing fools who would know a rock from a bog without a book.

Thanks for coming out, you didn't make the team but try again next year. Here's a shirt.

bigdude

08-12-2003, 03:17 PM

Bawahahahahaha!

Your quote doesn't match your statement very well. How was I condescending? Because I offered for him to come wheel with me?

Pollock

08-12-2003, 03:21 PM

-=- originally posted by bigdude -=-
Bawahahahahaha!

Your quote doesn't match your statement very well. How was I condescending? Because I offered for him to come wheel with me?

You do not look like a big dude either. more like little dude to me. :yup:

Sidewalkman

08-12-2003, 03:51 PM

-=- originally posted by bigdude -=-
Bawahahahahaha!

Your quote doesn't match your statement very well. How was I condescending? Because I offered for him to come wheel with me?

Read all your statements in the thread and you tell me who is condescending.

Nobody is born with a lifted jeep under their ass. It is built over time. I would suspect that if a guy wants 39" tires he has a reason.

If that reason is 'cause they look cool' more power to em. Who are you or anyone else to say you should wheel first, have a better reason to get bigger tires. If he wants to run 50s who cares.

jeepik

08-12-2003, 04:00 PM

-=- originally posted by Sidewalkman -=-
If that reason is 'cause they look cool' more power to em. Who are you or anyone else to say you should wheel first, have a better reason to get bigger tires. If he wants to run 50s who cares.

majority of the people on JU would agree

that function over form is best
not form over function.

there is not a lot of room for posers on an off road focused bulletin board such as this one

Sidewalkman

08-12-2003, 04:23 PM

-=- originally posted by jeepik -=-
majority of the people on JU would agree

that function over form is best
not form over function.

there is not a lot of room for posers on an off road focused bulletin board such as this one

Ahhhh, but building for flex, height, clearance is all function?

The guy has a reason but it is still condescending to imply simply because he wants information on 39s that he is a rookie and needs to be 'schooled'

By the way if it's all function lets primer all the heeps and throw out the interiors. Some of the flexiest rigs I've seen can win a show and shine.

jeepik

08-12-2003, 04:26 PM

-=- originally posted by Sidewalkman -=-
Ahhhh, but building for flex, height, clearance is all function?

yes to a certain extent

bigdude

08-12-2003, 04:44 PM

-=- originally posted by Sidewalkman -=-
Read all your statements in the thread and you tell me who is condescending.

Nobody is born with a lifted jeep under their ass. It is built over time. I would suspect that if a guy wants 39" tires he has a reason.

If that reason is 'cause they look cool' more power to em. Who are you or anyone else to say you should wheel first, have a better reason to get bigger tires. If he wants to run 50s who cares.

1) I agree with you it sounded bad but if it got him to explain what he was building for, so I could offer a suggestion, then mission accomplished. I think you took more offense than the poster. It is the internet and quite a few of us use it to clown around instead of taking things too seriously.

2) I have encountered quite a few people who threw a check book at big tires/axles/suspension and had either no desire to wheel it, no idea what they paid to have built, how to fix what they broke, or how to wheel what they had. If you haven't encountered this type before you are lucky. I feel they fit into your "born with a lifted Jeep under hteir ass category"

3) Seen too many trucks/jeeps built to "look cool" that can't turn in both directions, wear out bearings in one trip down the road, can't track straight, can't go over 10 mph without vibration or death wobble, etc, etc. They were all built to "look cool" by someone with little to no experrience and I would take every opportunity to discourage someone from making that mistake themselves.

Pollock I missed you a few weeks ago in Attica. As avid of a wheeler as you portray yourself to be, I figured you'd be competing right next to us, or at least spectating and smack talking. Oh well, maybe next time.

fatkid1082

08-12-2003, 05:04 PM

A monster jeep would be cool....but it'd be cooler to build a jeep with axles so wide and tires so tall that when you flipped it you could still drive...

Ok, so i'm immature and idiotic at times...but they had remote control cars like that before and they kicked ass...

good luck on your project...

and as far as this battle goes in this post, i think it's just a clash of what people want. It's like a ford vs chevy battle. In the end it doesn't matter, but there is no end because people always want to prove their point. IMHO I think jeeps are great whether you cruise or hit trails. i see no problem in either one...we're all into the same thing here........:clapping: :clapping: :spinhead:

Pollock

08-12-2003, 05:20 PM

-=- originally posted by bigdude -=-

Pollock I missed you a few weeks ago in Attica. As avid of a wheeler as you portray yourself to be, I figured you'd be competing right next to us, or at least spectating and smack talking. Oh well, maybe next time.

I have not been for a couple of months now. I have other things in my life to do other than drive all over the country trying to climb rocks. :spinhead:

I have been to the Badlands 3 times now and can say it is boring, just like all the other places I go to. "Been there done that," you know what I'm saying. :sousy:

Just because I am taking the summer off does not mean I cannot remeber all the accomplishments I have made with my Jeep. :naw:

Sounds like you know enough to write a book littledude. Maybe if I am lucky enough to meet you I can put some mushroom bruses on your face. :brows:

Jeffery

08-12-2003, 05:42 PM

Sidewalkman

08-12-2003, 06:43 PM

-=- originally posted by Pollock -=-

Sounds like you know enough to write a book littledude. Maybe if I am lucky enough to meet you I can put some mushroom bruses on your face. :brows:

Hmmmmmm. Me thinks someone is needs a hug :yup:
Seriously, can't we all just...sob.....get along?

I was a bit pissed at the flippant remarks but let's just rein this in a bit.

Pollock, man, take a valium.

bigdude, sorry to freak a bit but you did come off like a tit. Nice rig though.

Pollock

08-12-2003, 06:45 PM

-=- originally posted by Sidewalkman -=-

Pollock, man, take a valium.

Got any? :gulpbeer:

Me and littledude have been argueing forever. Infact it might have even started on the Pirate Forum. :eek: Could you imagine that. They are all nice people over there. :clapping: :rotflmao:

Sidewalkman

08-12-2003, 07:45 PM

-=- originally posted by Pollock -=-
Got any? :gulpbeer:

Me and littledude have been argueing forever. Infact it might have even started on the Pirate Forum. :eek: Could you imagine that. They are all nice people over there. :clapping: :rotflmao:

LMFAO...ok I'm on the floor. Too funny. WTF is a mushroom bruise?

Oh and the valium sure..........gulp......oh sorry, I thought I had some....:spinhead: :rotflmao:

Pollock

08-12-2003, 09:42 PM

-=- originally posted by Sidewalkman -=-
LMFAO...ok I'm on the floor. Too funny. WTF is a mushroom bruise?

Mushroom bruises arise from someone getting beat by a penis. Notice how the penis is shaped so you can better appreciate the joke. :bowdown:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Bigdude and everyone else I am just having fun!! :clapping:

bigdude

08-13-2003, 08:34 AM

-=- originally posted by Pollock -=-
Mushroom bruises arise from someone getting beat by a penis. Notice how the penis is shaped so you can better appreciate the joke. :bowdown:

Figures you'd be talking about penis :naw: :flipoff2:

Pollock

08-13-2003, 10:05 AM

-=- originally posted by bigdude -=-
Figures you'd be talking about penis :naw: :flipoff2:

Not all men are capable of this type of beating. Only the well endowed. :brows:

Jeffery

08-13-2003, 10:07 AM

-=- originally posted by Pollock -=-
Not all men are capable of this type of beating. Only the well endowed. :brows:

Sounds kinda gay to me :zdunce:

Pollock

08-13-2003, 10:10 AM

-=- originally posted by Jeffery -=-
Sounds kinda gay to me :zdunce:

You would know since you hang out at Bullwinkles. For those of you who do not know about this place. That is Bloomingtons Gay Bar. :bugeyed:

srb 95yj

08-13-2003, 10:22 AM

For those of you who do not know about this place. That is Bloomingtons Gay Bar.

.......and how is it that you know all this stuff Pollock?? Is there something you want to tell us?? :rhjg: :bigpink:

oh yeah, and if you think a stock jeep is enough for our "swamps" maybe you should take a vacation down to FL and see how far a stock jeep will go in a swamp. You could even swing by Key West and meet some of your "friends" while you're at it! :rotflmao: